Shooting at Jason Aldean show in Las Vegas, 50+ dead

Chad said:
I just did a google search, and there are a million videos on youtube on how to convert your AR-15 to fully auto. I am by no means a gun expert (I haven't shot one since I was a teenager) but the one video I watched seemed like anyone could easily do the conversion.
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My point is that once you make the gun full auto capable, it is basically an M-16. IIRC the only thing that differentiates the M-16 from the AR-15 is the auto or burst fire capability vs. only semi-auto capability.
 
I know Las Vegas fairly well. You are not free to be 'as weird as you want;' you are free to be as weird as possible without fucking with the locals. This is rule #1 of L.V. that people don't get. Think about it: OJ sawed off two heads in Cali, and walked. In Vegas he shook a guy down to get his own stolen stuff back and .... got locked up.

The reality is, with 25,000+ rooms on one 7 mile corridor, you simply cannot police everything.

Want to claim that Vegas' (really extraordinarily adept) casino security teams ought to watch for possible gun cases? Sure. Then watch them spend ALL OF THEIR TIME apologizing to people who are lawfully carrying. Kicker: about 3 miles south of the strip is a place not far from where I used to live. In 15-foot tall letters on the side it reads "SHOOT A MACHINE GUN TODAY!!!"

As you ride out towards Nye County on Blue Diamond, you pass numerous official and semi-official firing ranges. Really, the bigger miracle is how many people don't catch a stray bullet.

Lastly, I wish to raise my voice to say this: we don't need to police everybody more, or install more metal detectors. We need far fewer guns.

It really is that simple.
 
NYTimes is now reporting “Twelve of the rifles Mr. Paddock had in his luxury suite on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino were outfitted with a “bump stock,” a device that enables a gun to fire hundreds of rounds per minute, like a machine gun, which may explain how he was able to rain such devastation on the crowd below, law enforcement officials said.” He planed to burn his way through twelve rifles. What a sick fuck.
 
I have fired guns with a bump stock.
I have fired suppressor equipped guns. I know some gun nuts.
They scare me.

There is no reason for these except mayhem and destruction.
My shooting is purely targets for fun.
It is like shooting baskets, throwing darts in my eyes.
Chipping and putting at a golf course can be like that too. It is done for fun.

A bump stock is nothing anyone needs.
 
Just six days after the shooting in Las Vegas, a private investigator was able to purchase multiple firearms without background checks at a gun show in Reno, Nevada.

If you can’t pass a background check, you shouldn’t be able to buy a gun, period. It is past time for Congress to close the background check loophole.

 
From a dealer or private seller.
In Colorado we have background checks at gun shows from dealers.
I can sell to anyone is a parking lot.

* edit* Ah,the video loaded.
Private seller
 
No one in the continental US is more than a two hour drive away from a gun show where they can buy a gun with no background check or paperwork. In most states, even gun dealers can sell guns without checks or paperwork by declaring the gun part of their personal collection.

Despite what the NRA wants everyone to believe, there is a huge loophole on the system.
 
There is no gun show loophole; you (as a private individual, not a gun dealer) can sell your property, including guns to other people who are not known to be barred from owning firearms. There is one gun show a year within two hours of me. The last time I went, every sale at a table required a background check. This isn't state law, it was a policy of the show. I believe there were face-to-face sales, individual to individual as well; this isn't illegal. My state has a very high firearms ownership rate yet one of the lowest murder rates in the US. Coincidence?

More to the point; a background check would not have (and unless I'm mistaken, didn't) stopped the person responsible for this massacre from obtaining weapons. It's unclear why a tragedy such as this brings out all the bleating about background checks for private face-to-face sales. Incredibly restrictive firearms laws didn't prevent the massacre at a concert in France a couple years ago. Restricting people from legally owning guns does not prevent terrorism. The guns are here, they're all over the world. You can wish them away all you want but they aren't going to disappear.
 
wagdog said:
There is no gun show loophole; you (as a private individual, not a gun dealer) can sell your property, including guns to other people who are not known to be barred from owning firearms. There is one gun show a year within two hours of me. The last time I went, every sale at a table required a background check. This isn't state law, it was a policy of the show. I believe there were face-to-face sales, individual to individual as well; this isn't illegal. My state has a very high firearms ownership rate yet one of the lowest murder rates in the US. Coincidence?

More to the point; a background check would not have (and unless I'm mistaken, didn't) stopped the person responsible for this massacre from obtaining weapons. It's unclear why a tragedy such as this brings out all the bleating about background checks for private face-to-face sales. Incredibly restrictive firearms laws didn't prevent the massacre at a concert in France a couple years ago. Restricting people from legally owning guns does not prevent terrorism. The guns are here, they're all over the world. You can wish them away all you want but they aren't going to disappear.
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So if restrictive ins laws don’t work explain to me why every country in the world with restrictive guns laws have massively less gun deaths per year than we do in the US?

And you’re right restricting guns won’t prevent terrorism, but it will save thousands of lives per year.

This is truly insane.
http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...mericans-killed-guns-1968-all-wars-says-colu/
 
We're doing this again? Let me know if it ends any different than the last two dozen times


In other news it looks like that bump stock ban is dead before it even saw the light of day. There is no forseeable legislation that has a chance of passing

Republicans are siding with the NRAs impossible position that the ATF regulate that which the regulations do not apply to.
 
VoidTerraFirma said:
Have they prevented gun massacres in Australia? Yes or no?

Also...If there is no Gun Show Loophole, then you won't mind if we close the Gun Show Loophole, right?
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Did Australian gun laws prevent anything? They prevented people from protecting themselves when they were slaughtered by terrorists, in Australia.

Did restrictive gun laws in France keep people safe from gun violence?

Call the "loophole" what it is, then we'll see how well it fares. Restricting the private sale of an item because it might possibly misused is not something I support. The "gun show loophole" is a dishonest attempt to further an agenda with further restrictions; it ain't gonna fly.

There is no loophole: Gun dealers are required to run background checks, and they do. I've yet to meet one person who sells guns not take this very seriously.

Flamencology said:
Denial is the longest river.
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Do you ever plan on adding something substantive to the conversation around here? Your safe-space thread is two doors down.

Chad said:
So if restrictive ins laws don’t work explain to me why every country in the world with restrictive guns laws have massively less gun deaths per year than we do in the US?

And you’re right restricting guns won’t prevent terrorism, but it will save thousands of lives per year.

This is truly insane.
http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...mericans-killed-guns-1968-all-wars-says-colu/
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Banning swimming pools and bathrooms will save thousands of lives per year. Medical mistakes kill substantially more people per year than guns (including suicides, which is rolled into your statistics, btw). 2/3 of all firearms reported deaths are in fact suicide. From the article you posted:

"We’ll offer some added thoughts for context. These figures refer to all gunfire-related deaths, not just homicides. In fact, homicides represent a minority of gun deaths, with suicides comprising the biggest share."

Several countries with restrictive gun laws have substantially higher rates of gun related homicides than we do.

We are almost at the top of the list when it comes to suicides committed with a gun.
 
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