Biggest DB in rock music today - has to be Bono.

IMO, if you choose not to hold citizenship in a country, perhaps you should keep the preaching down about what's wrong with said country's politics.
At least while you have your hand out for a paycheck.

Disagree. Again, it's his business to lose. You're obviously not buying his stuff or going to his shows. And you wouldn't re-start consuming his products even if he did shut up now. So he gets to say what he wants and you get to keep your money. Seems like everyone wins.
 
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I loved this movie. My wife I really enjoyed Ben's and Robert's performances...great scene where you find out that Ben screwed over Robert in a very life changing manner.
 
Bono and crew don't hold citizenship here BY CHOICE. (They sure own enough land/property here, though....)

(Something to do with the fact that they'd have to pay a LOT more taxes on income if they were actually citizens.....)

IMO, if you choose not to hold citizenship in a country, perhaps you should keep the preaching down about what's wrong with said country's politics.
At least while you have your hand out for a paycheck.

They're Irish. So if you sell a bunch of records in the U.S., you're obligated to become a U.S. citizen? I'm not sure that's how it works.

And you have to pass a citizenship test before you can have free speech?

By this standard, very few of us on this forum are qualified to comment on world affairs outside the U.S.
 
I loved this movie. My wife I really enjoyed Ben's and Robert's performances...great scene where you find out that Ben screwed over Robert in a very life changing manner.

Robert Sheehan has perfected the 'funny and only just the right side of annoying' act perfectly. :)
 
They're Irish. So if you sell a bunch of records in the U.S., you're obligated to become a U.S. citizen? I'm not sure that's how it works.

And you have to pass a citizenship test before you can have free speech?

By this standard, very few of us on this forum are qualified to comment on world affairs outside the U.S.
Don't they also own the best hotel in Dublin? It's an old castle.
 
Bono and crew don't hold citizenship here BY CHOICE. (They sure own enough land/property here, though....)

(Something to do with the fact that they'd have to pay a LOT more taxes on income if they were actually citizens.....)

IMO, if you choose not to hold citizenship in a country, perhaps you should keep the preaching down about what's wrong with said country's politics.
At least while you have your hand out for a paycheck.

So.....Bono and the boys can't vote in the US, by choice. Perhaps he should focus his rants on something a little more close to home.

"Fuck America! Fuck the President! Fuck what America stands for! Fuck all the injustice! And you ALL need to give more of your tax money to ________......__________......and support __________.

Me? I'm cool....Can I have a paycheck, please?"

rolleyes1

Well, they remain Irish citizens and pay their taxes there...which are far higher than the U.S. I appreciate that unlike many other artists from the British Isles they haven't gotten U.S. citizenship or bought private islands to avoid paying taxes at all. They remain committed to their country while also being concerned global citizens. They think the U.S. is in a bad way now...worse than we've been in decades...and Ireland will undoubtedly be affected by the current administration's actions. They've got every right to say whatever the fuck they want.

Just like Toby Keith and a bunch of ignorant country fuckheads that want to act like the only problem with the U.S. are the other countries and people that don't (basically) blindly support the "right" President. Fuck those twits despite their U.S. citizenship. They are myopic twats. Bono and others like him have educated themselves on global issues and want to be an active part of addressing them, including raising awareness. Bono meets with world leaders to influence change that most U.S. politicians, let alone artists, don't care to acknowledge or understand. Most U.S. politicians couldn't even get these leaders on the phone. But they all get to say what they want and we get to disagree.
 
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Bono and crew don't hold citizenship here BY CHOICE. (They sure own enough land/property here, though....)

(Something to do with the fact that they'd have to pay a LOT more taxes on income if they were actually citizens.....)

IMO, if you choose not to hold citizenship in a country, perhaps you should keep the preaching down about what's wrong with said country's politics.
At least while you have your hand out for a paycheck.

So.....Bono and the boys can't vote in the US, by choice. Perhaps he should focus his rants on something a little more close to home.

"Fuck America! Fuck the President! Fuck what America stands for! Fuck all the injustice! And you ALL need to give more of your tax money to ________......__________......and support __________.

Me? I'm cool....Can I have a paycheck, please?"

rolleyes1

You've lost me. A guy who was born and raised in Ireland and still lives there, should be US citizens because they may own land here and they have an interest in the country? You know that Bono worked closely with W and often praises America too?

 
Actually, U2 have been accused of dodging their taxes in Ireland.

Yeah, I saw something about that too...

I don't care enough to look any deeper. Again, the whole tax thing...U2 are smaller fish in a huge ocean of multi-million/billionaires that want to avoid paying taxes so they drop $500,000 on a car and $10,000,000 on their trophy wife's b-day parties. They want to waste it on material bullshit while also hording as much of it as possible. Meanwhile people are dying (be it health disparities, lack of money for health care, starving) in all of the world's economic superpowers, despite the fiscal ability to curtail these loses of life. Bono is at least trying to do something progressive and positive to address real problems and not the perceived decrease in profits of multinational industries that put said profits above EVERYTHING.

Again, he may be a dick of person in a one-on-one situation and as manipulative of wealth as most others in his socioeconomic strata, but his public works are laudable.
 
The man has something most of us would sell a kidney or two for... something to say, and a world reaching soapbox to say it from.

Yeah, he's wealthy beyond reason. So what? He devotes countless hours, days, weeks, months to help the causes that are important to him. He is a massive philanthropist. Is he supposed to give up all of his wealth and take a vow of poverty? I don't see him marketing U2 Coffins and pinball machines. I don't hear him calling himself Yesus and proclaiming to be the greatest artist of all time. In fact, he's always been quite humble and self-depricating about his abilities. He's always been uncomfortable in the role of Rock Star. He plays a character on stage to alleviate his self-doubt and anxiety. It's "Show Business" after all.

He's not even the biggest douchebag in the band...

As much as I love The Edge, he divorced his wife over a stripper he hooked up with that was part of the stage show on Zoo TV. I'd have to give him the trophy for "U2's Biggest Douchebag" based on that alone.

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He scored very well on the "celebrity sincerity test" from the book Prank the Monkey.

If you never read that borrow it somewhere, hilarious unfortunately the original isn't online anymore.

He was at least in his heyday the most amazing vocalist.

I'd like to say you just have to ignore his politics, but then again I cant look past Ted Nugent...
 
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I liked Joshua Tree. I was not much of a fan of the tone of the record as I was/am proud to be an American.

Yet...

I get the tone of Joshua Tree. We tend to be a bit overarching in our behavior. Kinda like European countries were, and still aspire to be. Not all of them, mostly the major players ( I do not see Greece or Ireland trying to influence events in South Asia with money and guns, for example), but we act no differently than the Major European powers.

Of course, if you think we do then you are just as guilty of the myopia you accuse us of suffering from.

Of course, with the choices we had for president (the country would have lost either way), I can understand why other countries see us as a bit foolish and why foreign artists may feel the need to chide us. I do not look at our choices this time around and feel pride, I feel like we are being played and very few people know they are merely pieces in a game. Maybe we need outsiders to point out that we are being childish in our decisions and how we choose to support our political machines. But that could be said, with very little fear of being wrong, about any country. Humans, as a rule, tend to think as a flock and will choose what others choose so they don't feel left out.

That being said, I don't really like the political stance of many of the artists I listen to, but I sure like their music and I appreciate them using their medium to voice their opinion. If I am tired of listening to the rants of Rage Against the Machine I change what I am listening to. Simple.

Joshue Tree is what got me to think about my country from more than a "Rah-Rah!" attitude. Many view me as being conservative, even though I try to be even minded and listen to all sides, (My choices do not satisfy either side, really), but Joshua Tree was my seminal event that made me examine how I politically and sociologically viewed things. I am ,still, unabashedly proud of being a citizen of the US, but I am also the father who taught his children to wade through the crap from the left and right, to question as opposed to accept, and to formulate their own opinions no matter how unpopular they may be. Joshua Tree did that.

I began to think U2 had lost it when they released Zooropa as they started to look and sound like every other top 40 band out there. Then they just kept turning away from what made them great. IMO.

I do not have issues with anyone using their fame to further their agenda, be it Bono or Nugent. I just ask that they respect, or just be willing to listen with an open mind, opinions that may not jibe with their own.

Not a whole lot of that going on today in this here US of A- that is how we get Trump and HRC on a presidential ballot. Maybe we need more of that, and if Bono can open some eyes then more power to him.
 
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