Shooting at Jason Aldean show in Las Vegas, 50+ dead

[wagdog]

What state do you live in?

Confusion?

j/k

VT.

 

[smorgdonkey]

"Even though it has half the population of the other 22 nations combined, the United States accounted for 82 percent of all gun deaths. The United States also accounted for 90 percent of all women killed by guns, the study found. Ninety-one percent of children under 14 who died by gun violence were in the United States."

Rahts... don't take mah rahts!!!

 

[VoidTerraFirma]

Vermont.

The only state in the union where firearm deaths exceed traffic deaths?

 

[Flamencology]

Vermont.

The only state in the union where firearm deaths exceed traffic deaths?

Only because they wisened up and banned motor vehicles.

 

[Chad]

Confusion?

j/k

VT.

According to CBS news, you State is ranked 31st in gun ownership and the only state with a smaller population is Wyoming. Even DC has more people than your state. I think your lack of population has more to do with the low incidents of gun violence than the number of guns owned.

 

[wagdog]

"Even though it has half the population of the other 22 nations combined, the United States accounted for 82 percent of all gun deaths. The United States also accounted for 90 percent of all women killed by guns, the study found. Ninety-one percent of children under 14 who died by gun violence were in the United States."

Rahts... don't take mah rahts!!!

What 22 other countries? What source are you quoting?

 

[Chad]

What 22 other countries? What source are you quoting?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/how-u-s-gun-deaths-compare-to-other-countries/

 

[smorgdonkey]

What 22 other countries? What source are you quoting?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-u-s-gun-deaths-compare-to-other-countries/

 

[wagdog]

Vermont.

The only state in the union where firearm deaths exceed traffic deaths?

Numbers, they mean things. Look it up.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-u-s-gun-deaths-compare-to-other-countries/

"Compared to 22 other high-income nations, the United States' gun-related murder rate is 25 times higher."

So they cherry pick 22 "high-income nations" to compare the US to. Also note, again, that they are including firearm suicide deaths, which account for 2/3 of the firearms deaths in the US. Here is the report the CBS article is reporting from: http://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343(15)01030-X/fulltext

Here's an interesting tidbit from that report:
In the US, the non-firearm suicide rate per 100,000 is 6.1. US suicide with a firearm at 6.3 - total 12.4 per 100,000 people in the US commit suicide.

In the "22 high-income nations" it's 14.2 per 100,000.

So people in these 22 high-income nations are killings themselves at a rate higher than us, just not with guns.

Also, we have a 3.6/100,000 rate of firearm homicide and a 1.7/100,000 rate of non-firearm homicide.

The other 22 have a .8/100,000 total homicide rate.

If you somehow took the guns out of our equation, we're still much higher. I'd say we have a violence problem, and removing the right of people to defend themselves, isn't going to make it better.

 

[smurfco]

Oh my fucking god I wish I had a gun right now to blow my own dick off from reading this thread

 

[VoidTerraFirma]

Vermont's gun deaths per capita are the highest in New England.

Edit: oops, Maine just edges them out.

#numbers

https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/firearms-death-rate-per-100000/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel={"colId":"Location","sort":"asc"}

 

[wagdog]

Vermont's gun deaths per capita are the highest in New England.

Edit: oops, Maine just edges them out.

#numbers

https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/firearms-death-rate-per-100000/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel={"colId":"Location","sort":"asc"}

Those numbers include suicides.

We're the 3rd lowest in the nation in homicides: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_in_the_United_States_by_state

Did you look up traffic deaths yet?

 

[smurfco]

God the traffic argument is so fucking stupid. Cars aren’t designed to kill people.

 

[wagdog]

God the traffic argument is so fucking stupid. Cars aren’t designed to kill people.

I didn't bring it up.

 

[VoidTerraFirma]

Are we including traffic suicides?

 

[Chad]

Numbers, they mean things. Look it up.

"Compared to 22 other high-income nations, the United States' gun-related murder rate is 25 times higher."

So they cherry pick 22 "high-income nations" to compare the US to. Also note, again, that they are including firearm suicide deaths, which account for 2/3 of the firearms deaths in the US. Here is the report the CBS article is reporting from: http://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343(15)01030-X/fulltext

Here's an interesting tidbit from that report:
In the US, the non-firearm suicide rate per 100,000 is 6.1. US suicide with a firearm at 6.3 - total 12.4 per 100,000 people in the US commit suicide.

In the "22 high-income nations" it's 14.2 per 100,000.

So people in these 22 high-income nations are killings themselves at a rate higher than us, just not with guns.

Also, we have a 3.6/100,000 rate of firearm homicide and a 1.7/100,000 rate of non-firearm homicide.

The other 22 have a .8/100,000 total homicide rate.

If you somehow took the guns out of our equation, we're still much higher. I'd say we have a violence problem, and removing the right of people to defend themselves, isn't going to make it better.

First, they didn’t cherry pick. They to the countries that reported homicide deaths reported to the OECD, they can’t use data that doesn’t exist. They threw out 2 countries with low populations, which had they included them, it would have made the US look worse.

Second, they break it out into homicides and suicides, they aren’t counting suicidrs as homicides.

You don’t happen to have any stats on the successful defense with guns by non law enforcement vs the number of guns in circulation vs homicides. Because it would seem silly to argue self defense if 10 people defend themselves vs 1000 people murdered by guns.

 

[Chad]

Interesting, while looking into this, the murder rate of states WITH the death penalty is 5.4 vs 3.9 without the death penalty. Seems like the death penalty does nothing to curb violent crime

 

[VoidTerraFirma]

 

[wagdog]

First, they didn’t cherry pick. They to the countries that reported homicide deaths reported to the OECD, they can’t use data that doesn’t exist. They threw out 2 countries with low populations, which had they included them, it would have made the US look worse.

Second, they break it out into homicides and suicides, they aren’t counting suicidrs as homicides.

You don’t happen to have any stats on the successful defense with guns by non law enforcement vs the number of guns in circulation vs homicides. Because it would seem silly to argue self defense if 10 people defend themselves vs 1000 people murdered by guns.

Pretty sure the gun death stats they reported in the CBS article included suicide with a gun. That's 2/3 of the deaths in the US with a firearm. People in those countries kill themselves at a higher rate than the US.

AFAIK there isn't an official number of people who defend themselves with a firearm. I've seen numbers as low as 100,000 to over 2,000,000. These numbers are estimates because my understanding is there no official source. I suspect many defensive uses go unreported as well.

 

[Help!I'maRock!]

These numbers are estimates because my understanding is there no official source. I suspect many defensive uses go unreported as well.

IMO, the one change we should all be able to agree on, is repealing the law that prevents the CDC from studying gun violence/deaths. The problem is the budget amendment that disallows the CDC from studying gun violence, is reauthorized every year. It was introduced in 1996, during the Clinton Administration. Both Democrats and Republicans are complicit in the dearth of information.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...hut-down-for-20-years/?utm_term=.5530f9594dd2