Looks like the UK has decided to leave the EU

bsman said:
The English have just officially lost their right to be condescending to the US by proving that they have even more redneck xenophobes per capita. All they lack now is wide availability of semi-automatic versions of military shoulder arms to be East Texas.
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Dont let not knowing anything about it stop you commenting.
 
wok said:
As a Dutch immigrant in the UK, I am very worried. The best I can hope for is another Scottish independence referendum to allow Scotland, which voted 60%-30% to stay in the EU, to stay in the EU.

On the short term, I am expecting an economic downturn and political turmoil.

Scotland are not members if the european union. The uk are. If Scotland go independent tney will have to apply. Which means pay in, they wont do it.

I feel so upset a decision like this, with such a immense impact, was ever left to the great unwashed. This was a political power struggle within the Conservative party played out in an ugly referendum where the majority voted based on jingoism, xenophobia and a general lack of understanding about the nature of international trade: "We are going to be Great again!" (rings a bell?). The fact that Rupert Murdoch, Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin were amongst the biggest supports of the UK leaving the EU says enough...

Even though I have lived and worked in Scotland for over 15 years, I was not able to vote, nor any other non-Brit.

I am genuinely sad and shocked
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DFB said:
Stupidity has no borders.
Weren't the UK the only country in the EU not to use the Euro as currency?
I'm not sure they were really in it.
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True about stupiduty and borders, youre not even close in the wild guess category. 28 eu members 19 in the euro. Apart from germany every euro countrys economy is in the crapper. The uk economy is out stripping the whole of europe. The only continent with worse growth than europe in Antarctica. But you keep guessing pal.
 
Tiltsta said:
I know a bunch of my friends from EU countries that work at UK universities are really worried about EU grant funding for science and their ability to legally remain in the UK, apply for NHS research grants, hold Wellcome Trust UK funding, and so on.
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Nobody has talked about repatriating anyone. There is NO eu money its members money we pay far more than we get back in so called funding. This is nit just a uk thing . Almost every country is near 50/50 about europe. All they need to domis listen, modify. 80/20 in favour, job done.
 
I fail to see the problem here. Youre giving incorrect , wild statements and I am giving you the facts. If anybody shoukd be banned its the guy starting with the abusive language.
Put me on ignore if you dont like the facts. Bury your head.
 
jbj said:
Pmc - listening to the whole of sturgeons speech today, the indy2 stuff was crowbarred in at the end- she's very much gunning for some sort of deal that will allow Scotland to remain, in some capacity, within the eu.

Wok, I voted remain and I'm upset but you were quite happy to have the 'great unwashed' have their say on Scotland's place within the UK 2 years back....
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I disagree. This completely plays into the SNP's hands. It is beyond my comprehension that so called Unionists have failed to recognise that leaving the EU will lead to the end of the UK. I have said this on this very forum for several years. Surely I can't be only one to see this coming?

Incredibly, people are even talking about NI leaving the UK and in some form becoming part of Ireland. I seriously doubt this, but holy shit, anything seems possible. :shrug:
 
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knotty said:
Dont let not knowing anything about it stop you commenting.
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Don't let your overweening sense of superiority due to your geographic location stop you from making ASSumptions about how well or poorly informed I might be about this issue that I studied in depth before visiting the UK in May and June...
 
Flamencology said:
I don't know if it's that cut and dry.

If a state these days honestly wanted to secede, and wanted to do it peacefully, instead of by attacking Fort Sumter...

I mean, without the moral issue of slavery being present, there's no real justification for war, from a federal perspective. And I nternational pressure would be much more of a factor.

I'm not saying that it be anywhere near as easy as "hey, let's have a referendum!"... But I think it's doable.

That said, I don't think any state would attempt it. Americanism, patriotism, exceptionalism, etc., are all too strong in the national genetic code.
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It pretty much is that cut and dried unless it came to force of arms. The relevant Supreme Court decision, 1868's Texas vs White, held that: “The union between Texas and the other states was as complete, as perpetual, and as indissoluble as the union between the original states. There was no place for reconsideration or revocation, except through revolution or through consent of the States.”

So the options are either:
a) Open rebellion, which would be swiftly quashed. I say this as a Combat Arms veteran: it would be very swiftly quashed.

b) Everyone legally and legislatively agreeing to go their own separate ways. Which absolutely is not ever going to happen.
 
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