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Ive been doing some research on some pedals that I want when I get some money. I like quality stuff-MXR,Wampler,etc. I always buy quality in everything. Im a tradesman and have always made a living with my tools. I don't beleive in "cheap or budget" tools. I do my research or ask opinions of qualified people and make choices. Here's the dilemma: yesterday my wife sees her friends husbands post on Facebook. He bought a Joyo pedal which is a clone of ?? For $35.00. Says it is the best $35 he's spent musically. Here's the kicker-this guy researches EVERYTHING-a new stove,a car,a pair of socks,etc before buying. He's loaded with cash. My wife then says-how come $35 pedals are good enough for Andy but not you? First it was kind of in fun but it's been brought up a few times now and it's getting edgier,almost like I'm a selfish prick now. Granted I'm a play at home guy and do not begrudge those who go cheaper. But I want what I like and won't be happy to "settle". Anyone else had these battles with the S/O? Sorry for the rant!!
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Tell her that those crap pedals he bought might work a little while, but then chances are the switches will break, or they will start getting noisy (as did some cheap Behringer pedals I got when starting out), and then you will have to replace them anyway, at what will not be ultimately a savings as compared to buying something decent to start with, AND, you will be harming the environment by having to trash cheap Chinese plastic crap after it pukes.

(I write arguments for a living. I am good at rationalizing. But I really believe much of the above).

Not like you have to go all boutique or anything on all your stuff, but if you save a bit longer, and buy decent stuff (used sometimes is a good option) you will ultimately save money. IMHO.
 
Mark Wein said:
The Joyo stuff is cheapie made in china knock offs of more popular pedals for the most part. Some folks say that they sound pretty good but I wouldn't bother with them.
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I really like my Joyo chorus (the smaller one) but I picked it after listening to a metric fuckton of demos and comparisons to other pedals.

For all I know it might be the only good pedal they make. LOL

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GilmourD said:
I really like my Joyo chorus (the smaller one) but I picked it after listening to a metric fuckton of demos and comparisons to other pedals.

For all I know it might be the only good pedal they make. LOL

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Interesting. Though I don't need a chorus. I like when there are good cheap pedals out there, but am a bit skeptical after being burned on some cheapie Behringer ones that were supposed to be good, but either broke or started adding a ton of noise to my signal chain after a while.
 
Help!I'maRock! said:
We might have a discussion about what something new does, or why I need it. But as for cost, she knows I'm the guy who is researching everything and getting exactly what I want. I also buy a significant amount of gear used. So that helps to keep the cost down.
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I love buying used gear. However sometimes one can't because there are not enough used items on a specific product - Wampler. But as mentioned, research is the key. I don't recall a piece of gear that I bought just because it was just released. I tend to wait for the most part.
 
sunvalleylaw said:
Interesting. Though I don't need a chorus. I like when there are good cheap pedals out there, but am a bit skeptical after being burned on some cheapie Behringer ones that were supposed to be good, but either broke or started adding a ton of noise to my signal chain after a while.
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Behringer by and large makes crap that falls apart and dies and even if it survives it sounds bad. That's why I'm shocked at how good my Bugera 1960 Infinium is.

Lesson here: Occasionally even the blind squirrel finds the nut.

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Modern Saint said:
I love buying used gear. However sometimes one can't because there are not enough used items on a specific product - Wampler. But as mentioned, research is the key. I don't recall a piece of gear that I bought just because it was just released. I tend to wait for the most part.
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Lots of Wampler available over at TGP.
 
I get no grief from the other half on anything I purchase! Probably, because she knows I am thrifty and don't just throw money away. I do a fair amount of research myself and am always looking for great deals. In my experience I do not feel like the expensive boutique is any better at all then the run of the mill stuff and even some of the cheaper clones so I can get what I want without breaking the bank. As far as the getting the original instead of the cheap clone I don't feel a lot of the boutique stuff out there is all that original. I buy a lot of Boss pedals so I get the originals there.
 
Packerbacker said:
My wife then says-how come $35 pedals are good enough for Andy but not you?
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Kerouac:
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Second: You discuss the details of what you're buying with your wife... ARE YOU CRAZY?
I've been married for 35 years, perhaps because I buy my gear and show it to her, but NEVER discuss prices. She shows me crap she bought and NEVER discusses prices with me. Ignorance is bliss...
 
Modern Saint said:
I avoid that place like the plague as I choose to avoid the conversations there - besides I have what I need.
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I like it over there because, once you cull through the cork sniffers, there's some real knowledge and some good guys. Unfortunately, unlike here and the OLD HCEG, there's more cork sniffery than there is realism.
 
GilmourD said:
I like it over there because, once you cull through the cork sniffers, there's some real knowledge and some good guys. Unfortunately, unlike here and the OLD HCEG, there's more cork sniffery than there is realism.
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I have an account there and have posted as much there as HCEG...if fact HCEG has more (<30) :lol:

The cork sniffing is what I don't care for - well anywhere. It is already bad when I have to deal with my own corksniffing so why deal with someone elses. I figure that if I am into a certain players sound at the time I will research what they use and then research to hear others using it. If a store has it locally I will go and try it there and if I like it, I buy it. The nice part about Wampler's is that the prices on the net are not much different than that online.

I also loved buying used gear and usually visit my local GC to see what is in the glass case or on the wall. If I want to try it, I will and about 60% of the time I am buying it.

I usually run through my normal checklist when I check something out.


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Like GilmourD, I have a Joyo Analog Chorus (I think we bought them right around the same time) and I also have their Phase 90 clone. It was a 2-fer deal. They're in metal enclosures with set-screw knobs, so mechanically they're built pretty well. Tone-wise, I'd put them firmly in the "decent" camp. My main gripe with them is that they both have a slight amount of gain through them, giving a little volume boost when engaged. There may be a trim pot inside to fix that, but I haven't bothered to look.

I use chorus and phase so infrequently that I couldn't justify getting a boutique pedal for those effects. Plus I'm just a hobbyist anyway and my gear doesn't have to survive weekly gigs.

So I guess part of it really comes down to your situation and how crucial the pedal you're looking at is to your tone. For the ones I got, they weren't crucial at all. Plus I figured for $35, what's the worst that could happen? You may end up with a pedal that you don't like at all. If so, just donate it to the next roadside beggar/panhandler you come across. :wink:
 
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shoeless said:
Like GilmourD, I have a Joyo Analog Chorus (I think we bought them right around the same time) and I also have their Phase 90 clone. It was a 2-fer deal. They're in metal enclosures with set-screw knobs, so mechanically they're built pretty well. Tone-wise, I'd put them firmly in the "decent" camp. My main gripe with them is that they both have a slight amount of gain through them, giving a little volume boost when engaged. There may be a trim pot inside to fix that, but I haven't bothered to look.

I use chorus and phase so infrequently that I couldn't justify getting a boutique pedal for those effects. Plus I'm just a hobbyist anyway and my gear doesn't have to survive weekly gigs.

So I guess part of it really comes down to your situation and how crucial the pedal you're looking at is to your tone. For the ones I got, they weren't crucial at all. Plus I figured for $35, what's the worst that could happen? You may end up with a pedal that you don't like at all. If so, just donate it to the next roadside beggar/panhandler you come across. :wink:
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This is the one you got?

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What convinced me to buy it was a video comparing 4 or 5 different choruses. Out of them all, my favorite was the Ibanez and I couldn't tell this apart from the Ibanez. It's got a nice subtle shimmer if set right and works splendidly with my Teles clean.

Now, like I said, I have no idea if I may have lucked out and gotten the only good model Joyo makes, although you saying your Phase 90 clone sounds good, too, does give me faith in them.

The thing here with Joyo... They copy schematics from other pedals and use surface-mount components to keep the cost down. Construction-wise I'm not seeing a very big difference in component quality compared to the newer MXR stuff with surface-mount components. The problem may be when they copy a pedal where nobody even liked the original. LOL
 
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