Everyones fav band...looks like Daltry getting an enema and sounds like Plant

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Yeah, no.
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But actually, yes. REMs glam period was hilarious, over-marketed trash and watching elf-ferret hybrid Mike Mills flounce around in high-heel boots and Jimmy Page dragon bell bottoms was funnier than anything in Spinal Tap.

Imagine 10 year old kids watching that vid in the late 90s....Now you know why rock is dead as mainstream music. Millennials moved on, and who could blame them?
 
VoidTerraFirma said:
But actually, yes. REMs glam period was hilarious, over-marketed trash and watching elf-ferret hybrid Mike Mills flounce around in high-heel boots and Jimmy Page dragon bell bottoms was funnier than anything in Spinal Tap.

Imagine 10 year old kids watching that vid in the late 90s....Now you know why rock is dead as mainstream music. Millennials moved on, and who could blame them?
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I don't really care what they are wearing. I don't hear them blatantly copying another bands sound.
 
Great, VTF’s on my fucking lawn in ANOTHER Greta Van Sheeeeeeeit thread.

Both REM and SP were consciously “doing” glam in the ‘90s via knowing albums with songs directly about rock image, the silliness of said images, and the weirdness of having your emotions filtered through pre-fab classic rock radio. Monster is less a glam or grunge album than an album about glam and grunge and stardom and identity. Adore is a goth album in air quotes inspired by the runaway success of a very knowing fake new wave song being derailed by death and drugs and general miserablism.

People may not dig this kind of book report rock because it is meta and kinda wink-nudge. But it’s less revivalism than it is dissection and reconsideration. Both REM and SP are also deeply indebted to glam conceptually—and as a subgenre glam is all about theatrical performance of rockness to interrogate notions of stardom, gender, rocking, etc.

If you’d like a solid primer...

https://www.press.umich.edu/11477/performing_glam_rock

GVF is, as far as my listening has taken me, not using classic rock tropes to say anything about classic rock tropes. There’s no “there” there in terms of commentary via embodiment and performance. They’re just doing a familiar thing in a familiar way without a lot of added value. They’re much more in the vein of the Spotifycore algorithm jacking shit that is built to get inserted into playlists to serve as sonic glue for listeners in a certain target demo.

You may not like Monster or Adore, but as works they’re definitely the product of people making songs about songs to better understand their position in some kind of rock fame cosmology.
 
Peen Simmons said:
GVF is, as far as my listening has taken me, not using classic rock tropes to say anything about classic rock tropes. There’s no “there” there in terms of commentary via embodiment and performance. They’re just doing a familiar thing in a familiar way without a lot of added value. They’re much more in the vein of the Spotifycore algorithm jacking shit that is built to get inserted into playlists to serve as sonic glue for listeners in a certain target demo
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yes yes, this for me too
 
GVF are essentially teenagers clumsily emulating their musical heroes. Given time and a bit of luck they may grow to something beyond that.

Nevertheless, the heroes they chose were and are vastly superior to the options many of our pot-bellied, embittered forum brethren chose in their respective formative years.

They should take a few more lessons and have a go at Sheer Heart Attack next. Could be fun!
 
A better analog to GVF might be early Aughts also rans the Vines. They were lauded, initially, for managing to channel both Nirvana and Oasis with eerie precision. There wasn’t much wit or insight there (compared to snarkier, slyer contemporaries like the Stripes or the Hives who were doing a schtick to some conceptual end). They just SOUNDED LIKE TEH KURTZ.

Compare this to something like Ryan Adams’ ROCK AND ROLL which was a glammy send up of the Strokes and their ilk wherein Adams did the retro style in the style of various retro bands as a commentary on the weirdness of the retro rock moment. It’s a bit of a muddle, but he was attempting a thing vs. just emulating a dead icon.
 
VoidTerraFirma said:
GVF are essentially teenagers clumsily emulating their musical heroes. Given time and a bit of luck they may grow to something beyond that.

Nevertheless, the heroes they chose were and are vastly superior to the options many of our pot-bellied, embittered forum brethren chose in their respective formative years.

They should take a few more lessons and have a go at Sheer Heart Attack next. Could be fun!
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So GVF are the rock equivalent of a high school football game so we should just be cool with that? File a writ of “haters gonna hate” and call it a day?

Also, the “just teenagers” defense is crap when you consider that actual Robert Plant was just 21 in 1969. Those kids are about the same age as actual Robert Plant was when actual Robert Plant made the actually good record those kids are biting.
 
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They are the equivalent of 4 dudes from the stands with the real NFL jerseys who can throw and run pretty well but are playing a flag football game in the parking lot
 
GusChiggins said:
They are the equivalent of 4 dudes from the stands with the real NFL jerseys who can throw and run pretty well but are playing a flag football game in the parking lot
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JUST KIDS EMULATING THEIR HEROES. CAN’T EXPECT BETTER.

“Paul McCartney, age 21, Ringo Starr, 23, John Lennon, 23, and George Harrison, 20, made their first appearance on the Ed Sullivan Show, a popular television variety show.”
 
Bob Dylan was 22 when Freewheeling came out. The oldest member of GVF is 22.

JUST KIDS!!!

I loathe this infantalizing argument that lets vacuous crap off the hook because the perpetrators are young-ish. Mike Mills’ nudie suit didn’t kill rock and roll. A shitty audience and a lack of killer tunes are certainly shoulder greater responsibility.

Phil Spector had a number 1 single and his own record company by the time he was GVF’s age.
 
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VoidTerraFirma said:
GVF are essentially teenagers clumsily emulating their musical heroes. Given time and a bit of luck they may grow to something beyond that.

Nevertheless, the heroes they chose were and are vastly superior to the options many of our pot-bellied, embittered forum brethren chose in their respective formative years.

They should take a few more lessons and have a go at Sheer Heart Attack next. Could be fun!
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Who are you calling potbellied?
 
Need to dial back the megatonnage on my truth bombs. Splattered a lot of collateral damage around.

I guess everybody hurts.



Sometimes...
 
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