Wolfetone announces intent to push back on Dimarzio trademark

I am no trademark/copyright guy, and don't do that work. That tends to be specialized stuff, and has traditionally been one of the only areas lawyers could claim to be a true specialist. And law school was a long time ago. So I not know these things. :) Good to have someone who does know something.
 
I am no trademark/copyright guy, and don't do that work. That tends to be specialized stuff, and has traditionally been one of the only areas lawyers could claim to be a true specialist. And law school was a long time ago. So I not know these things. :) Good to have someone who does know something.

I did stay an a Holiday Inn Express last night...so I can do law and brain surgery.

I know it from the IP holder side. Handled that for a start-up (dealt a lot with our IP lawyer), and own some trademarks and copyrights of my own.

I'm not saying I approve of Dimarzio stranglehold, but they do appear to have all the proper boxes checked to retain the trademark.
 
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The DiMarzio trademark is on the cream/black combination, not just the cream color. Nobody could get a defensible trademark on cream or white alone because Fender was doing those in the 1950s.

No, the Dimarzio trademark is on the double-cream color. No zebra involved.

Reading the post, Wolfe isn't suing anyone, we was just contributing to the fund. I couldn't see Wolfe sticking out his own neck, for some of us who have been around long enough...he has no reputation/respect/sympathy left to lose.

BTW, Coke has won cases over their trademark shade of red.

In Coke's case, red is not a "fucntional" color.

You are correct. I am not the person being sued. Dimarzio is suing a competitor of mine. However, I certainly WOULD stick my neck out, and I am. I am putting a target on my back for Dimarzio by spearheading this.
I'm confused by the reputation/respect/sympathy comment though.


A little bit about the research I've done on this over the last 18 years.. Over the last years, I've worked closely with Cathy Duncan at SD on this, as well.
It started with a conversation with Bill Lawrence, when he said 'you cannot trademark a function" -- and I was confused by that, until I started reading about "aesthetic functionality doctrine" and discovered that, yes,aesthetics can be "functional" in a manner of speaking.

You should read the links I've placed in here. If you do, then you will KNOW without a doubt.
A coupe examples:

In 2005, Dimario attempted to trademark another color - basically a chrome plated bobbin. USPTO refused the registration, because guitars have chromed hardware, and some have mirrored pickguards.

In the 1980's John Deere tried to sue a company called Farmhand for making green loaders and accessories. Courts discovered that farmers wanted to color-coordinate equipment. If Farmhand could not coordinate with Deere, Farmhand would have no place in the market. John Deere lost. Recently, Deere started suit with Fimco for the same issue.
In the 1990's, Mercury Brunswick, makers of outboard boat motors, tried to trademark Black. Courts said "NO" --black is a harmonious color with ever other color, and appears smaller when mounted on the boat.

The color blue was found not registerable for ice-cream containers. It was psychologically suggestive that the contents were colder.

We all know that many guitars have cream binding, cream pickguards, etc. We know that guitar players are very aesthetically minded when it comes to their instruments. Any we know the oldmyth of the double-crream1959 PAF soundingbetter than other PAFs.
We also know that there are a very few colors that are "commonly accepted" by guitar players. The basic four: Black, Zebra, Cream, and White. Would you put a hot pink humbuckeron a gold top Les Paul? Probably not... but think about it... what looks best in that guitar? Cream, usually. or nickel covers.
Trademark law also dictates that you cannot register a mark that affect the cost or ease of manufacture. I know for a fact that Dimarzio paid less for cream bobbins when the mark was registered.
And I can tell you that winding plain enamel on cream is easier, due to the contrast in colors.

Trademark law is here to help competition, not to stifle it. if a mark such as this would significantly impact competitors in the marketplace, or put them at a severe disadvantage, then it is "functional"
Want to know jut how much a disadvantage? Think about this.. I average 4-6 requests for cream every week. If we suppose 10 HB's per week, 520 per year, that's about $67,000 in additional sales. That's an employee or two, that's magazine advertisement, custom tooling and parts, and the overall ability to grow and expand in the marketplace. In 40 years, how many large companies have broken out of being "small?" Of course, you have the main two - Duncan and Dimarzio..because they were the first..... and EMG, but they're active. How many other large companies? Well... Lollar is getting there. So basically, you have just ONE manufacturer who has broken out of the smallness factor.
That's how much of a disadvantage it give us.

In a recent suit over red shoe soles, Christian Louboutin was severely limited as to the scope of his trademark,..

The appellate court held that the doctrine of aesthetic functionality is a valid defense in the Second Circuit in cases “where protection of the mark significantly undermines competitors’ ability to compete in the relevant market” (emphasis in original). A mark is aesthetically functional if granting exclusive protection to the feature “would put competitors at a significant non-reputation-related disadvantage,” citing TrafFix Devices, Inc. v. Marketing Displays, Inc., 532 U.S. 23, 32-33 (2001).


Additional reading? I invite you to read the McCarthy pdf files and law reviews on trademarks located here: www.wolfetone.com/trademark

If you have any questions, feel free to ask.
 
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Examples of Functional Use of Colors. The following is a list of examples of product colors held to be unprotectable because they were held to be functional: • Amber mouthwash: functional because amber liquid signifies an unflavored, medicinal mouthwash[FN1]
• Black bottle for soft drink: functional as keeping out light and keeping consumer from seeing contents[FN3]
• Black on treads of ladder: functional because it does not show wear and dirt[FN4]
• Black outboard motor: functional because black has the attributes of decreasing the apparent size of the motor and ensuring compatibility with many different boat colors[FN5]
• Blue dot on photo flashbulb: change of color indicates air seal leak[FN6]
• Blue nitrogen fertilizer: functional because users of fertilizer and the scientific community use the color blue to designate nitrogen and hence there is a competitive need to dye nitrogen fertilizer the color blue[FN7]
• Blue endoscopic probes used for gastrointestinal conditions: plaintiff failed to prove that the color blue did not make the probe more visible against human tissue when seen though an endoscopic camera.[FN7.50]
• Brown colored tire repair product: functional due to a red lead component essential to the manufacturing process[FN8] • Brownish-pink line on ophthalmic lens: functional in reducing light reflection and refraction[FN9]
• Brown chocolate ice cream and other flavor-indicating colors[FN9.50]
• Color coded replacement parts for automobile transmissions: functional in assisting in their installation[FN10] • Gold edges on a high quality cook book eliminated unsightly differences in the colors of the page ends[FN11]
• Gold and silver colored disposable plastic serving platters: functional in providing a luxurious look[FN12]
• Gray in promotional materials advertising surgical instruments: functional because “it highlights the design of the instruments in [plaintiff's] catalogs"[FN13]
• Green farm accessories: functional because farmers like to have accessories colorcoordinated with their John Deere green tractors[FN14]
• Orange markings on medical feeding tubes for newborns were functional to indicate enteral use only to prevent misconnections by medical personnel.[FN14.50] • Pink wound bandages and dressings to blend with skin tones of Caucasian or “white” people[FN15]
• Purple for sandpaper: functional in a field where color is often used to distinguish the grit size of the abrasive.[FN15.50]
• Rainbow of colored candles arranged on a shelf[FN16]
• Red filter on end of flashlight: functional in serving as a safety and warning light[FN17]
• Reddish-orange hue of safety earplugs: functional because such a bright color aided in monitoring for employee compliance with health and safety regulations[FN18]
• Reflective coating on the top end of a metal fence post: functional because it is the simplest and least expensive way to apply reflective coating to a fence post.[FN18.50]
• Various colors of medicinal capsules and tablets[FN19]
• White handle for professional cutlery: functional because it assists in determining cleanliness of the handle[FN20] • White uniforms and trucks of GOOD HUMOR ice cream vendors: aids in visibility[FN21]
• Yellow and orange pay telephone booths: functional in increasing visibility to pedestrians and motorists[FN22]
• Yellow packaging for sucralose sweetener[FN22.50]
• Yellow for vapor barrier: functional for easier identification of holes and gaps[
 
You are confusing trademark and patent.

Trademarks are on visual appearance (there are audio trademarks, but they are harder to get and rarer). If a company deems the appearance has value to the brand or product sales, they can trademark it. It's in Dimarzio's favor that the cream bobbins are purely cosmetic, if the cream bobbins are essential to their operation, than they wouldn't be trademark-able (they would have been patent-able...and patents expire).
............. I think the pickup maker is getting some poor advice, I would guess Dimarzio will take his business in a counter-suit to recover court fees.

Actually, the cosmetic/aethetic angle works squarely against them, because pickups are combined with instruments to make a harmonious whole.

I have spoken with dozens of IP attorneys over the years that I have done work for, as well as law professors teaching IP law. Not a single one of them has suggested that this mark is "strong" -- all of them agree that the mark should never have been granted at all, and that it violates functionality doctrine in many ways.

My ducks are in line =)
 
And one more zebra pix. Do you think DiMarzio will send me nickel covers?

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Here's some text from a 2005 attempt by Dimarzio to register yet another color... this comes from the trademark application documents. These are just some of the examiners notes, which you can see in full here

Edited to remove various cited cases.


Serial Number
78/582551
The assigned trademark examining attorney has reviewed the referenced application and has determined
the following: The Office records have been searched and no similar registered or pending mark has been found that would bar registration under Trademark Act Section 2(d), 15 U.S.C. §1052(d).
TMEP §704.02.
Configuration / functionality / distinctiveness refusal

Registration is refused because the proposed three-dimensional configuration mark appears to be
functional for the identified goods. Trademark Act Section 2(e)(5), 15 U.S.C. §1052(e)(5).
That is, the proposed mark comprises the configuration of a design feature of the identified goods that serves a utilitarian purpose. TrafFix Devices, Inc. v. Marketing Displays, Inc.
,

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The proposed mark is the mirrored surface of electronic sound pickups for guitars and basses, and the
goods are electronic sound pickup for guitars and basses. The particular features of this proposed mark,
namely, the mirrored surface, are functional for the goods because goods of this nature often have a
stainless steel or mirrored surface. A feature is functional as a matter of law if it is “essential to the use or purpose of the [product] or if it affects the cost or quality of the [product].” Inwood Labs., Inc. v. Ives Labs., Inc
.
,
A mark comprising the configuration of goods or their packaging is held functional, and thus unregistrable, where the evidence shows that the product design or product packaging design provides
identifiable utilitarian advantages to the user – i.e., where the product or container “has a particular shape because it works better in that shape.”

..

In order for a proposed mark to be held functional, the evidence need not establish that the configuration at issue is the very best design for the particular product or product packaging. Rather, a finding of functionality is proper where the evidence indicates that the configuration at issue provides specific utilitarian advantages that make it one of a few superior designs available.

On the other hand, where the evidence shows that the specific product or container configuration at issue
provides no real utilitarian advantages to the user, but rather is simply one of many equally feasible,
efficient and competitive designs, then the mark may be registrable.
In re Morton-Norwich Products, Inc.
,

.
However, a product configuration is not inherently distinctive, and therefore cannot be registered on the Principal Register without a showing of acquired distinctiveness under §2(f).
Wal-Mart Stores, Inc. v. Samara Brothers,
 
So many winders completely ignore DiM's cream bollocks, loads of small winders will wind you a set of double cremes, and word is that under every set of Seth Lover covers......

These were made by a small winder.

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Wolfe has just fought a successful case to have his Dr Vintage pickup name trademarked after someone else started using it for another purpose, he received his trademark or copyright over the last few weeks. My guess is that while doing that his research yielded some interesting info.
 
I've owed @WolfeMacleod and apology in this thread for days. I was in a foul mood (no A/C last week) and snapped at him echoing a grudge that went back nearly 2 decades, one that I'm pretty sure is unfounded and I had no right to bring up anyway.

I apologize in a PM last week before leaving on a camping trip but since the post was here...I owe him a public apology as well.

Back on topic, Wolfe makes many valid points in his argument against Dimarzio (but I'm not sure he has convinced me against Dimarzio's TM just yet). You never know how the legal system will sort any of these issues and out and conversations like this are pure speculation for most of us, for Wolfe its livelihood.
 
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Wolfe has just fought a successful case to have his Dr Vintage pickup name trademarked after someone else started using it for another purpose, he received his trademark or copyright over the last few weeks. My guess is that while doing that his research yielded some interesting info.

I've researched the cream trademark and all other color trademarks as a full-time "hobby" for ...nearly 18 years. I basically spend most of my free time reading case histories, ruling, laws, etc and compiling stuff. It's a major life-mission of mine to see the Mark overturned.

That was a matter of a friend and semi-employee who trademarked my product name behind my back, then attempted to emerge onto the scene as anentity with a fully formed, already existing reputation. The Dr. Vintage model pickups became a phenomenon in 2006, which he sought to take advantage of.. and did. We ended up in a stalemate and agreed to leave each other alone, and I didn't press any further, as the suit resulted in the dissolution/destruction of my marriage in 2008.
Last year, I jumped on it again.

I've owed @WolfeMacleod and apology in this thread for days. I was in a foul mood (no A/C last week) and snapped at him echoing a grudge that went back nearly 2 decades, one that I'm pretty sure is unfounded and I had no right to bring up anyway.

I apologize in a PM last week before leaving on a camping trip but since the post was here...I owe him a public apology as well.

Back on topic, Wolfe makes many valid points in his argument against Dimarzio (but I'm not sure he has convinced me against Dimarzio's TM just yet). You never know how the legal system will sort any of these issues and out and conversations like this are pure speculation for most of us, for Wolfe its livelihood.

Thanks, Wyatt. I appreciate that. Don't sweat it, really.
If you need any solid convincing, feel free to give me a cal and I can walk you through the mountains of evidence I have. You could start by reading the stuff here: www.wolfetone.com/trademark and other links I've posted. I can break it down and explain that they all mean.

There's also currently a very active discussion about it on the MLP forums at http://www.mylespaul.com/forums/showthread.php?t=372014
 
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