Help! I Thought All Les Pauls Were The Same...

Talentless Hack

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I'm a Strat / super-strat type of guy.

For whatever reason, I found myself in the music shop today checking out an Epiphone Les Paul Custom. I am not going to lie, the thing was just awful. Action so high that when bending a string, the fingernail would go under the next string. The stings themselves were probably picked from Slash's garbage during his GnR days. Fretboard dried out. The usual years of neglect from hanging in a guitar store. All these things could have been fixed with about an hour but the Made in China stamp on the back of the headstock had me asking myself if the fretboard cleaner, strings and time was just going to delay the inevitable of it being returned to the store because it is just not worth it. Tried a couple more Epiphones based on looks and price tag. Pretty much the same conclusion as the first one: If I wipe off all the dust, fingerprints and grime, will it just fall apart?

I was about to leave the store because the LP urge was completely gone but in the middle of all the same looking sunburst guitars, there was a solid maroon one sticking out like a sore thumb. I figured since I already have wasted enough of my time, caught a social disease and was headed to the hospital for a tetanus shot, I might as well not even bother looking at the name or price tag before grabbing it. The dust, finger prints, grime and lack of care was no different than anything else I have tried but something was different. It was almost like I had done the setup on it myself but better. Playing past the 15th fret was a hassle but it didn't leave me dreaming of the time I was having a root canal like the other LPs in the past did.

I looked at the headstock and saw the Gibson name on it. Well that explains it, I don't see myself paying huge money when for the same amount I could get at least 2 or 3 upper ranged Ibanez super-strats. So as I was putting the guitar back, the price caught my eye and I had to stop what I was doing and take a closer look at it. Were my eyes playing tricks on me? This cost about $300 more than the highest priced Epiphone. Oh, this must be made in Korea or Indonesia then because I don't have to sell my kidneys on the black market to afford one. Nope, made in the USA stamped on the back of the headstock. Puzzled, I look at the name on the truss rod cover, it said Studio. I look and find another one with the same Studio name on it thinking I just got lucky but other than the color and the amount of teenager Cheetos finger grime on it, there was no difference. Well that is odd. How does it stack up next to something that cost twice as much then? I find a Standard and the biggest difference I see is this one has binding and the Studio doesn't. Bling, that is only the beginning of the differences right? Nope. Played exactly the same to the point if I was wearing a blind fold, I wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

I ask the sales person to write down the information of the red guitar along with the price and his name in case I decided to pull the trigger. Put the card in my pocket without even looking, thank him and away I went. Later when I got home and looked at the card, it said Gibson Les Paul Studio 2008 with the price below it. 2008? What the hell does that suppose to mean? The date stamp said 2010. After a quick google search, I guess that Gibson made a bunch of changes in 2008 and again in 2012. The price difference isn't really there meaning that they cost practically the same.

What should I be looking for when comparing the 2008 models with the 2012 models? Is there anything fundamentally wrong with the Studio to the point where it would be worth paying twice as much for a Standard? Is there anything else I should be looking for that are not obvious to someone who is not familiar with LPs?
 
Nothing is ever the same. Try a music store that takes care of their instruments. That will provide you with the biggest difference.
 
My band mate has a Les Paul Studio he won in a Guitar Magazine contest. It's the biggest steaming pile of shit I've ever played. If you found a good one that you like go for it. They do seem to vary quite a bit from one guitar to the next.
 
regarding the '08 changes to the Standard, they moved to a keyed neck tenon that was much more stable than the traditional long tenon (Historic) or rocker joint (USA) that had been used previously. the other major change was going from the swiss cheese weight relief in favor of a chambered approach. The Studio, OTOH, mostly kept it's old attributes.

in 2012, they changed the Standard and the Studio to a long tenon (Historic), revamped the chambering, and (at least on the Standard) changed to a multi-radius fretboard. The Studio is supposed to be the Standard without all the bling.
 
I don't know the answer to your question, however I felt the need to inform the OP that he has chosen a screen name that is reserved for Jack White...
 
There IS a difference in price point and model but the best thing to do is to play a bunch of them and see what you dig the most.
 
I don't know the answer to your question, however I felt the need to inform the OP that he has chosen a screen name that is reserved for Meg White...

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There IS a difference in price point and model but the best thing to do is to play a bunch of them and see what you dig the most.

This. Five LP Studios from the same year can/will feel very different from each other in some cases.
 
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Kerouac - Meg does have some talent......

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Pretty much all LPs differ, even within the same model. There are great ones and lousy ones at almost every price point. I noticed a very big difference between studio and standard models in terms of fret work. I also really need neck binding on those LP type necks for some reason ( I can feel the difference, and it matters to me. YMMV). Part of my perception on the fret feel might be related to the really nice asymmetric neck profile on that era standard that is lacking on the studio. Little things can make a big difference in feel. I ended up getting a 2008.5 model standard. I tried lots of them, and they seemed to fluctuate between great and good, and I didn't see any really bad ones, but I'd bet they are out there.

I think the studio has been pretty constant from 2008 ip until this year when Gibson switched to the new two layer rosewood fretboard thing. I would guess the older models would be more desirable, even if there isn't likely any sonic or structural logic to it. Getting the full specs is tough on any model year, as it seems even Gibson doesn't often know what specs certain models have.
 
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I can't keep up with all the differences. Play them and find which particular one you like. There isn't enough time to learn all the nuances from model to model and year to year. Plus, despite what many would tell you, you'd be doing yourself a disservice if you automatically ruled out a given guitar because of a certain specification. For example, a lot of people hate the tenon of some of the Les Pauls, but you can still find great examples with the short tenon.
 
I can't keep up with all the differences. Play them and find which particular one you like. There isn't enough time to learn all the nuances from model to model and year to year. Plus, despite what many would tell you, you'd be doing yourself a disservice if you automatically ruled out a given guitar because of a certain specification. For example, a lot of people hate the tenon of some of the Les Pauls, but you can still find great examples with the short tenon.

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I can't keep up with all the differences. Play them and find which particular one you like. There isn't enough time to learn all the nuances from model to model and year to year. Plus, despite what many would tell you, you'd be doing yourself a disservice if you automatically ruled out a given guitar because of a certain specification. For example, a lot of people hate the tenon of some of the Les Pauls, but you can still find great examples with the short tenon.

A-frickin-men. Specs rule the internet bench racing speculation but plug in and play it, let your ears and hands be the judge and jury.
 
without specs, there is no way to make an apples to apples comparison. and if they didn't matter, then why do they keep changing?

that being said, my play testing Les Pauls netted me a PRS. i bought the superior instrument.
 
without specs, there is no way to make an apples to apples comparison. and if they didn't matter, then why do they keep changing?

that being said, my play testing Les Pauls netted me a PRS. i bought the superior instrument.

They definitely serve a purpose. Scale length, pickups, building materials, etc. can give you about 90% of an idea what the guitar will sound and feel like. YMMV They explain obvious differences, like why a strat won't sound like an SG, or something substantial like that. And if you know that there's one spec that especially tickles your fancy, it helps you narrow down options.

But unless someone already knows exactly what they want the guitar to sound like, why rule anything out? If you just want a guitar that sounds and feels exceptional for a good price, you probably want to cast a wide net, right?

Why do they keep changing? Probably a dozen reasons. One of which I would assume is keeping new inventories moving in a largely saturated market. It definitely keeps people talking about them.
 
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