Another 37 car pile up in MI today :(

i would love to have my own "hunting" camp....up in some mountains. i would go up there the monday before thanksgiving....and wouldn't come back down until after new years.
the holiday season has become the rush to get what i want. people are the biggest assholes during the holiday season. wtf?
 
mongooz said:
it ain't just michigan.....it's the whole damn northern midwest.
everybody has to get where they're going before anybody else does.
me first society.
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This^^...I hate big cities and all that they represent..My oldest lives in Toronto and when I fly in it's a given that I will be chauffeured around..

Compared to where I'm from, most people in big cities drive like fast fucking assholes and hold no value for others, or their own lives.....
 
mongooz said:
it ain't just michigan.....it's the whole damn northern midwest.
everybody has to get where they're going before anybody else does.
me first society.
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Here's a thought as well and I'll probably be an old man yelling at clouds BUT......I wonder how much of this is associated with modern car technology? What i mean is that in the past most cars and trucks were one wheel drive (rear or front) and most either only had rear abs or none (i'm going back a bit)....people didn't feel as INVINCIBLE , as domineering over mother nature. Your car gave FEEDBACK and you rerspected slick roads...i.e. you slowed down your speed , you kept more distance and you anticipated (Not too mention less distractions in the cars to begin with like no touch screen media units, etc)

With modern cars they practically drive themselves, there's cell phones, there's touch screen navigation and then the already mentioned disassociation with road feel and a falsely perceived safety cushion ("hey I've got four wheel anti lock, all wheel drive, and traction control BABY...I'm safe as an ace...ooppp's ...crash bang bing...) :idea:
 
DdBob said:
Here's a thought as well and I'll probably be an old man yelling at clouds BUT......I wonder how much of this is associated with modern car technology? What i mean is that in the past most cars and trucks were one wheel drive (rear or front) and most either only had rear abs or none (i'm going back a bit)....people didn't feel as INVINCIBLE , as domineering over mother nature. Your car gave FEEDBACK and you rerspected slick roads...i.e. you slowed down your speed , you kept more distance and you anticipated (Not too mention less distractions in the cars to begin with like no touch screen media units, etc)

With modern cars they practically drive themselves, there's cell phones, there's touch screen navigation and then the already mentioned disassociation with road feel and a falsely perceived safety cushion ("hey I've got four wheel anti lock, all wheel drive, and traction control BABY...I'm safe as an ace...ooppp's ...crash bang bing...) :idea:
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oh yea.....absolutely assclowns in 4x4's drive like they'er 'invinceble'. abs doesn't help you one damn bit when you're SLIDING in slush or on ice.
almost every suv/pickup i saw out there today was acting like ' i've got 4 wheel drive, i can still go 50 mph'. no you can't asshole, it's called TRAFFIC. stop trying to get there before anybody else. i was sitting in a back up of a quater mile because some asshole can't drive.
 
OGG said:
Sounds like Michigan drivers need a refresher course.
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Part of the problem is that michigan is not treating the road surface at all. Ice is ice and since tire chains are illegal here there is not much you can do as a driver. The worse part of that accident was known that for all of my skill as a driver and all of the classes I have taken there was nothing could have done to have avoided that crash.
 
reverend1 said:
Part of the problem is that michigan is not treating the road surface at all. Ice is ice and since tire chains are illegal here there is not much you can do as a driver. The worse part of that accident was known that for all of my skill as a driver and all of the classes I have taken there was nothing could have done to have avoided that crash.
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I had to look it up as I didn't know, myself: "MCL 257.710 of the Michigan Vehicle Code covers the use of tire chains, and states that a person may "use a tire chain of reasonable proportion upon a vehicle when required for safety because of snow, ice, or other condition tending to cause a vehicle to skid." If used, the chain must not come in contact with the surface of the roadway."

So, last night (Sunday night) when I drove to work I could have used tire chains and would have been ok, as the roads were absolutely snow covered and my tires never came in direct contact with the road. I did ok though without them as I only drove about 20-25 mph the whole way.
 
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