Newsflash! Eagles Tour Will Feature Founding Guitarist Bernie Leadon

I recently watched the documentary, and I'm reading Felder's book now. Holy crap, but those guys snorted a lot of cocaine! messedup0

Sure is sad they are still fighting about money. I'm tending towards thinking that Felder got screwed, even though he is probably rich beyond belief anyway. He made a lot of really significant contributions to some of their biggest hits, and it seemed like Frey really played that down in the documentary.
 
Frank Prince said:
I recently watched the documentary, and I'm reading Felder's book now. Holy crap, but those guys snorted a lot of cocaine! messedup0

Sure is sad they are still fighting about money. I'm tending towards thinking that Felder got screwed, even though he is probably rich beyond belief anyway. He made a lot of really significant contributions to some of their biggest hits, and it seemed like Frey really played that down in the documentary.
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I saw the documentary as well. I don't think he got screwed at all. Imo Glenn Frey was making necessary business decisions. :shrug:
 
I believe that they have to charge ludicrous ticket prices in order to be able to pay their lawyers' fees in order to decide who gets to be in the band. Or am I confused; it must be the hell-freezing cold addling my brain. Who cares?
 
The problem that bands run into when they start to sell massive amounts of albums (well - back when albums sold...) and sell out all the tour dates is that the entire dynamic around the band changes. Suddenly the record company is depending on the band moving 'X' amount of product with their next release and there are a lot more people swirling around (PR, image consultants, extra management). The rock and roll band has become big business and some band members deal well with it, some don't. The Eagles are a great example of this - as are the Rolling Stones. Some guys want the circus - some guys don't. Those who don't either quit are get forced out.
 
Denverdave said:
The problem that bands run into when they start to sell massive amounts of albums (well - back when albums sold...) and sell out all the tour dates is that the entire dynamic around the band changes. Suddenly the record company is depending on the band moving 'X' amount of product with their next release and there are a lot more people swirling around (PR, image consultants, extra management). The rock and roll band has become big business and some band members deal well with it, some don't. The Eagles are a great example of this - as are the Rolling Stones. Some guys want the circus - some guys don't. Those who don't either quit are get forced out.
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I agree and I'm fine with that. I don't get this he deserves this or that or he wrote this or that. Either you want the job and everything that goes with it or not. If you choose not you made your choice, don't whine about it forever. Randy Misner, Don Felder, and Bernie Leadon all made a choice and now they have to live with it. Tough shit.
 
The Eagles suck and the only band I am less interested in seeing is the Steve Miller Band.

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Denverdave said:
The problem that bands run into when they start to sell massive amounts of albums (well - back when albums sold...) and sell out all the tour dates is that the entire dynamic around the band changes. Suddenly the record company is depending on the band moving 'X' amount of product with their next release and there are a lot more people swirling around (PR, image consultants, extra management). The rock and roll band has become big business and some band members deal well with it, some don't. The Eagles are a great example of this - as are the Rolling Stones. Some guys want the circus - some guys don't. Those who don't either quit are get forced out.
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I just saw that same point portrayed in another music docu I watched over the weekend about Earth Wind and Fire (yes, I really do like Earth Wind and Fire, but more the early stuff). As they got popular in the mid-later 70s and started selling out stadiums (the only black group to do so), the whole vibe changed, and the record companies wanted all what you just said, and Maurice felt forced to move more to cross-over music, and even disco and dance themes rather than the mixed afro-cuban-jazz-funk-soul-spirt-message material they became popular with. The band slowly began to dissolve after that, though it took a decade or so. Certain guys did not like the changes and decided to leave. I guess it is not surprising that the same thing happened with the Eagles.

I have not seen the Eagles docu, but am speculating extent Felder had an artistic perspective and that Frey approached it more as a business. or so I guess. I would guess very few groups can say f/u to the suits and remain successful and still get new material released. Neil Young is one of the only ones I can think of that seemed to be able to.
 
sunvalleylaw said:
I just saw that same point portrayed in another music docu I watched over the weekend about Earth Wind and Fire (yes, I really do like Earth Wind and Fire, but more the early stuff). As they got popular in the mid-later 70s and started selling out stadiums (the only black group to do so), the whole vibe changed, and the record companies wanted all what you just said, and Maurice felt forced to move more to cross-over music, and even disco and dance themes rather than the mixed afro-cuban-jazz-funk-soul-spirt-message material they became popular with. The band slowly began to dissolve after that, though it took a decade or so. Certain guys did not like the changes and decided to leave. I guess it is not surprising that the same thing happened with the Eagles.

I have not seen the Eagles docu, but am speculating extent Felder had an artistic perspective and that Frey approached it more as a business. or so I guess. I would guess very few groups can say f/u to the suits and remain successful and still get new material released. Neil Young is one of the only ones I can think of that seemed to be able to.
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In the doc Felder is mad that he didn't get to sing some songs. Frey says that they had him sing a demo but Henley's vocals were better so they went that route. Frey also states the reason he sang less and less and time went on was because Henley's vocals were better. Felder was angry about that fact the wouldn't let him sing lead and became withdrawn and combative. He was upset about what others in the band were being paid and it all came to a head at a congressional fundraiser. After which he a Frey almost came to blows on stage. After which he was fired.
 
As douchey as Frey can be, from all I've gathered over the years is that Felder has stepped on his own dick time and time again. Even he regrets it now, but that bell can't be unrang (unrung? unringed??).
 
CBHScott said:
As douchey as Frey can be, from all I've gathered over the years is that Felder has stepped on his own dick time and time again. Even he regrets it now, but that bell can't be unrang (unrung? unringed??).
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Yeah, even watching the documentary he can help but to poke the bear. Personally I would have been perfectly happy playing my part, and cashing my sizable check.

By the time he joined the band they were touring on a private jet, staying in 5 star hotels, and generally had the world by the ass. It's not like he suffered through the "paying your dues" years like Frey and Henley.
 
reverend1 said:
In the doc Felder is mad that he didn't get to sing some songs. Frey says that they had him sing a demo but Henley's vocals were better so they went that route. Frey also states the reason he sang less and less and time went on was because Henley's vocals were better. Felder was angry about that fact the wouldn't let him sing lead and became withdrawn and combative. He was upset about what others in the band were being paid and it all came to a head at a congressional fundraiser. After which he a Frey almost came to blows on stage. After which he was fired.
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Well, I suppose that could be sort-of related to artistic differences, but much different from the artistic differences in the EWF story.
 
reverend1 said:
I saw the documentary as well. I don't think he got screwed at all. Imo Glenn Frey was making necessary business decisions. :shrug:
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Well, Felder was unsatisified with the money, but why did that make it necessary for Frey to spearhead his firing? Sounded more like personal resentment and grudge holding finally boiling over than necessary business decisions. :shrug:
 
I think Felder and all of the other guys contributions were and have been completely minimized by Frey (and Henley, but he kept his comments super uncombative on film). Frey came off as a total douche. On those last two albums Walsh and Felder were the main writers and their tunes were among the biggest hits off of those two albums (the biggest non-GH records in the band's discography).

Frey coming off as a total douche is saying a lot if you've followed he and Henley over the years. I understand why Felder left though as having Frey (with or without Henley's backing) telling him he is going to take less money along with Schmidt and Walsh while he and Henley get the bigger cut would piss me off as well. It's why the Police broke up and so many other bands. The lack of this type of ego is why Queen, Rush, and the Dead lasted so long...they were all truly about collaboration and less and less about royalty percentages as the years went on (if they ever thought about making more $$$ than one another).

I'd like to see the show if it were only the five guys with Bernie when he joined them, but a couple of keyboard players, an additional drummer, horns, and backup vocalists...that's not the Eagles. At least not how I want to see them. Oh yeah, and I sure the price is absolutely ridiculous.
 
I'd much rather see Earth Wind And Fire these days... Really cool band... There, that's my lack of contribution to this thread, as well...
 
I was 13 when I saw them with Bernie.

Couldn't have cared less about them for most of my life, although I have always liked singing Take It Easy while driving on road trips across country.
But since that documentary came out I've been on an Eagles kick ever since. Just covered Already Gone at a little gig recently. I was hell bent on playing it exactly like the original studio recording. Also camped at Joshua Tree this past spring and there was a whole group we got together with around the campfire that were singing Eagles songs all night.

I'll get over it soon I suppose.
 
rickenvox said:
I was 13 when I saw them with Bernie.

Couldn't have cared less about them for most of my life, although I have always liked singing Take It Easy while driving on road trips across country.
But since that documentary came out I've been on an Eagles kick ever since. Just covered Already Gone at a little gig recently. I was hell bent on playing it exactly like the original studio recording. Also camped at Joshua Tree this past spring and there was a whole group we got together with around the campfire that were singing Eagles songs all night.

I'll get over it soon I suppose.
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Already Gone is still one of my favorite Eagles tunes after all these years. Catchy tune with really great guitar tones and fills.
 
Frank Prince said:
Well, Felder was unsatisified with the money, but why did that make it necessary for Frey to spearhead his firing? Sounded more like personal resentment and grudge holding finally boiling over than necessary business decisions. :shrug:
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When someone is making problems and refusing to do their job and making things difficult. Effecting your ability to make money, you get rid of them. Simple as that. Whether your a band, Subway or any other business. If someone is not happy with what they are being paid, and they are being a pain in the ass about it, you fire them. This isn't revolutionary.
 
Dogsinotpalc said:
I think Felder and all of the other guys contributions were and have been completely minimized by Frey (and Henley, but he kept his comments super uncombative on film). Frey came off as a total douche. On those last two albums Walsh and Felder were the main writers and their tunes were among the biggest hits off of those two albums (the biggest non-GH records in the band's discography).

Frey coming off as a total douche is saying a lot if you've followed he and Henley over the years. I understand why Felder left though as having Frey (with or without Henley's backing) telling him he is going to take less money along with Schmidt and Walsh while he and Henley get the bigger cut would piss me off as well. It's why the Police broke up and so many other bands. The lack of this type of ego is why Queen, Rush, and the Dead lasted so long...they were all truly about collaboration and less and less about royalty percentages as the years went on (if they ever thought about making more $$$ than one another).

I'd like to see the show if it were only the five guys with Bernie when he joined them, but a couple of keyboard players, an additional drummer, horns, and backup vocalists...that's not the Eagles. At least not how I want to see them. Oh yeah, and I sure the price is absolutely ridiculous.
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It's Henley and Frey's band, the three you mentioned are employees. It's none of their business what the owners of the business pay themselves. If they weren't happy with their pay they were welcome to leave. It's not like those guy weren't making a lot of money as well.
 
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