I may be out of a job soon.

And, there goes the civility....


I don't understand why people (and i honestly mean no offense to anyone here. I don't know any of you guys) take that stuff so personally. The dinosaur comment was clearly said in a semi-humorous tone. There was no specific insult to anyone's religious beliefs that I could detect.
I read it more as a "instead of focusing on educating our kids, we waste ungodly amounts of money on lame bickering, political correctness, and all sorts of other crap."


Its not up to you as to what may offend another person. I don't think there was any loss of civility. matt explained his comment. I'm cool with that.

However, I think we can just let this go.

Hug?
 
I can understand that. I just wish that the people who decide what the money actually gets used for did a better job. I also wish that the memebers of the two major political parties in this country actually worked together for the common good of the country and not against each other for their own narrow view of the world.


So stop voting for either of them. Find an independent whose views you mostly agree with and vote for them. Keep on doing this. At first it'll do no good but eventually the big 2 will start to lose enough votes to make a difference. Take the power back.


It really pisses me off when people moan about the big parties, then either vote for them, or don't vote. It's a democracy. That means YOU are responsible. cop0
 
So stop voting for either of them. Find an independent whose views you mostly agree with and vote for them. Keep on doing this. At first it'll do no good but eventually the big 2 will start to lose enough votes to make a difference. Take the power back.


It really pisses me off when people moan about the big parties, then either vote for them, or don't vote. It's a democracy. That means YOU are responsible. cop0

We've been through this before. cop0

No point whatsoever.

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Rocket motor test stands are so cool. I worked on one at Lockheed Santa Cruz for a while. The whole tower was made to be easily reassembeled after the explosion.:lol: It was an R&D stand, so the motors were small 'proof of concept' systems. Everyone would evacuate to the top of the hill, then they would turn on the sprinklers and light it off. I never got to see one blow, but heard the stories.

This particular stand (along with 3 others) was built in the early 1960s to hold the giant F1 engines for the Apollo programs. It remained in use for the Shuttle program. A1 was the only stand that could gimble during testing. Firing the smaller SSME engines in this stand was comparable to putting a bottlerocket in a bunker.

The B stand (not pictured in that youtube) held and test fired the entire first stage, clusterfiring the entire engine array.
 
So stop voting for either of them. Find an independent whose views you mostly agree with and vote for them. Keep on doing this. At first it'll do no good but eventually the big 2 will start to lose enough votes to make a difference. Take the power back.


It really pisses me off when people moan about the big parties, then either vote for them, or don't vote. It's a democracy. That means YOU are responsible. cop0

If I found an independent I agreed with I would. So far I haven't.


Anyhoo, this thread got a little away from our "Hot wings, Guitars and funstuff" charter yesterday....I was wondering if we could possibly just talk about the badass NASA stuff that Steverino and 335clone either do or used to do :)
 
If I found an independent I agreed with I would. So far I haven't.

Well, you seem like a pretty centrist, pro-state "normal" sort of dude so that's not surprising. The two big parties are built for your sort of voters. The outlaying parties tend to be fringe-ier in their approaches. Ross "Look at My Pie Chart" Perot is an obvious exception where a "3rd party" candidate was essentially offering the same as the two major parties but in slightly more eccentric/folksy packaging. Then again the Reform Party went off the rails pretty quick, eventually nominating crazy ol' Uncle Pat for the presidency.
 
Well, you seem like a pretty centrist, pro-state "normal" sort of dude so that's not surprising. The two big parties are built for your sort of voters. The outlaying parties tend to be fringe-ier in their approaches. Ross "Look at My Pie Chart" Perot is an obvious exception where a "3rd party" candidate was essentially offering the same as the two major parties but in slightly more eccentric/folksy packaging. Then again the Reform Party went off the rails pretty quick, eventually nominating crazy ol' Uncle Pat for the presidency.


Pretty much,. I guess.

I'm not big on discussing my political views in real life so I'm probably not going to get into this subject much more here, either though...
 
I'm not big on discussing my political views in real life so I'm probably not going to get into this subject much more here, either though...

I've never understood this. I'm not bagging on you, but it's not like you can't "read" people's "politics in action" based on how they live and speak. And the overwhelming majority of Americans hold very similar political beliefs that differ mostly on issues of style and/or w/r/t very specific (and often pointless) pet causes. Though treating politics as "private" and "too contentious to even mention" is political too. Because Americans dig consensus.
 
Dude, let it go. Politics are a no-fly zone here.

"Because Americans dig consensus" :lol:

And politics are a no-fly zone because why...Americans value consensus. Hence then "no talking about anything but stuff that doesn't really matter" rule here or in polite office "water cooler" conversation.

I think it's a bit childish that people cannot be trusted to have a serious conversation about substantive matters without the constant "shitstorm watch" that seems to go on here.

Just sayin'.
 
I've never understood this. I'm not bagging on you, but it's not like you can't "read" people's "politics in action" based on how they live and speak. And the overwhelming majority of Americans hold very similar political beliefs that differ mostly on issues of style and/or w/r/t very specific (and often pointless) pet causes. Though treating politics as "private" and "too contentious to even mention" is political too. Because Americans dig consensus.

One reason why I won't discuss politics (especially here) is because I am in business for everyone's money. Not just the people I agree with. In this area especially people are incredibly polarized by their political and religious points of view. I'm not going to not make my house payment because I lost a large family account due to something I've said that has nothing to do with what I do for a living. At any point in time but especially in the current economy that would be irresponsible to my family more than anything else. Even though thats always been my outlook I learned the hard way in December when I played the National Anthem as a favor for my friend at a Democratic party function and it turned into not only a miserable shitstorm that ended in me banning Derivicus but also in some comments from customers here in the studio about "how can you support or stand on the same stage as Nancy Pelosi" instead of "thats really cool that you were asked to do that".

And unlike most of you guys I am my username. There is no anonymity for me to hide behind.
 
And politics are a no-fly zone because why...Americans value consensus. Hence then "no talking about anything but stuff that doesn't really matter" rule here or in polite office "water cooler" conversation.

I think it's a bit childish that people cannot be trusted to have a serious conversation about substantive matters without the constant "shitstorm watch" that seems to go on here.

Just sayin'.

Because there are other places to discuss them and I don't want it here because of what always happens. I'm really not in the mood for this this morning so if we can move on from the subject I'd appreciate it. Please see my above post.
 
Because there are other places to discuss them and I don't want it here because of what always happens. I'm really not in the mood for this this morning so if we can move on from the subject I'd appreciate it. Please see my above post.

Though this discussion isn't really about political matters per se, and it's a more meta discussion about the function of politics in American discourse, I'll drop it and let y'all Weiners have your way.

I will, however, think a bit less of you all as a result. You'll probably stay up nights crying about this. No need to not think.
 
I was wondering if we could possibly just talk about the badass NASA stuff that Steverino and 335clone either do or used to do :)

I can tell you I never had so much fun at a job in my life. It's a lot of hard work, and there are bureaucratic nightmares I can't even begin to describe. Still, it's awe inspiring to work on a piece of flight hardware. I was lucky enough to get on a program that was going on the shuttle, after years of testing different components and full on satellites.

Here are a few cool pics from the mission, taken with the astronauts personal cameras. They are a bit grainy, looks like they were scanned in. The copies I have at home are much clearer

Our payload in the back of the cargo bay..

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Aurora Australis as viewed from the aft flight deck

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This was during gulf war 1, so here are the Kuwaiti oil fires from orbit

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Another payload shot. The CIRRIS 1A in the middle is a cryogenic infrared telescope, and the box with the megaphone looking thing is a far-ultraviolet telescope. There were a number of other instruments on board including a mass spectrometer and 2 data recorders.

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The mission was to determine if we could detect a soviet missle launch from the arctic during an aurora storm.
 
Though this discussion isn't really about political matters per se, and it's a more meta discussion about the function of politics in American discourse, I'll drop it and let y'all Weiners have your way.

I will, however, think a bit less of you all as a result. You'll probably stay up nights crying about this. No need to not think.

Wow. You've been hanging out with Jimmy James too much this year.



Touchy touchy. I provided no value judgment.

I'm tired and have a cranky baby to deal with this morning. Then I have a multitude of Capitalist Pig chores to do regarding my business and hopefully have a good recording session this afternoon.

I'm going to be a little touchy :embarrassed:
 
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