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James Franciscus

James Franciscus

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...And the idea that in any other adventure film story device, the male and female leads will always have some romantic or sexual tension even if they start out hating each other. But of course in this case Finn is neutered/demoted to comic relief, side kick, brotherly friend zone, kiss on the forehead status for obvious reasons.

Hope this helps. Don't kill each other.
 
Won't see the movie ever, so didn't need to watch the review. Is Finn like the Secret Service or "what" ?
 
So how did a non freakish person of color end up in this nonsense anyway?

I know...see the movie..it won't kill you.
 
Couldn't make it a minute. She might have made great points but 60 seconds talking about how she isn't into Star Wars was 60 seconds of me wondering, "Do I care? No, I do not."
 
I feel kind of the same way about Bowie dying as I do about that movie. It's shitty and saddening and makes me feel a little less at home in the world.
 
I got to 5:37.

Blah, blah, fucking blah.

She's missing the mythical allegories that are at the foundation of the films. How horribly they reflect actual society, not unlike Tolkien's Hobbit and LOTR. The grey areas are there, but this a movie as much for fans as it is for attracting new fans to the brand. On a larger scale good and evil are pretty clear and it's those that would seek to undermine and manipulate either that create the grey areas.

Obviously morality is another area wherein the more close minded with make absolutes about what is "right" and what is "wrong" and the rebel alliance is trying to what it thinks it right. The First Order/Empire are on the other hand not doing what they think is right, but what they hope will help them strengthen their strangle hold on their empire and at the root is the evil that is the dark side. If you aren't a fan, which she emphatically states way too many times, you're not likely to appreciate what nuance there is, that is either to find/see it or care about it.

I'm all good with her having her opinion, but it comes off as coming from someone who's uninformed and already going in with their own baggage of expecting to find faults...which she does. And it is not a faultless movie, but neither were the originals...even the awesome Empire Strikes Back.

My dad and I were discussing the film last night because he felt similar in that it was an enjoyable movie, but it didn't add any depth or value to the story of Star Wars. He felt that it was missing greater discussion and coverage of his favorite aspect of the Star Wars story, the force. He likes the mythology and this film definitely doesn't cover on anywhere near the same level. I, don't know that it needed to, but it's no big deal.

Rolling Stone, despite itself, has a decent article on the new film:

http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/...ens-is-the-star-wars-movie-we-needed-20160108

It's not a perfect article about a not perfect movie, but about a good movie that helps reset the table that Lucas nearly destroyed (arguably). Much easier to get through than this video.
 
The main thing I feel she missed was that it's a trilogy. Her saying that the relationships are poorly developed is clearly a non-star wars fan observation. They will be fleshed out in the next 2 movies. They always are. These types of things, IMO, are made to be a very long story broken into ADD digestible chunks. No one will sit through a 9 hour film, but we WILL watch 3, 3 hours films.

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James Franciscus said:


...And the idea that in any other adventure film story device, the male and female leads will always have some romantic or sexual tension even if they start out hating each other. But of course in this case Finn is neutered/demoted to comic relief, side kick, brotherly friend zone, kiss on the forehead status for obvious reasons.

Hope this helps. Don't kill each other.
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Theodore said:
I feel kind of the same way about Bowie dying as I do about that movie. It's shitty and saddening and makes me feel a little less at home in the world.
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That review is spot on regarding the shortcomings of Star Wars (and a lot of big budget fan service media in general). There's a lot to like about the performances and whiz-bang pacing of the new film. It's definitely good mindless fun (vs the bad kind of mindless fun) but, ultimately, it only feels extra good and worth talking about because it points back to fun I enjoyed when I was younger and dumber and ready to be imprinted with tropes and myths and marketing stuff. It's very much a cinematic sugar binge.

As for comments in this thread about Tolkien and mythos and Arthur, LOTR's Manechianism is one of the worst parts about Tolkien's outsized influence on genre entertainment. Real myths, real folklore, and real literary treatments thereof is a lot weirder than Tolkien's neo-Victorian, semi-heretical anti-modern Christian apologetics.
 
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