Springsteen on Broadway

It’s a good album. But like all clichés, that one keeps getting repeated.

I think it’s popular amongst music dweebs because it’s the least Springsteeny Springsteen album. It’s the one that’s easiest to fit into indie aesthetics because it’s the one that’s least concerned with celebratory ‘50s and ‘60s nostalgia mixed with working class bathos.

It seems folky and bleak. There are good songs on there and I dig it, but it’s a pretty clear extension of The River without the glitz and the party rock.
 
I think it’s popular amongst music dweebs because it’s the least Springsteeny Springsteen album. It’s the one that’s easiest to fit into indie aesthetics because it’s the one that’s least concerned with celebratory ‘50s and ‘60s nostalgia mixed with working class bathos.

It seems folky and bleak. There are good songs on there and I dig it, but it’s a pretty clear extension of The River without the glitz and the party rock.

That’s the thing, though. Without the folky bleakness, he’d be a guitar-playing Billy Joel singing the Bon Jovi songbook. And without the glitz and party rock and nostalgia, he’d be just another talented hard-working singer-songwriter, but no Dylan or Waits.

What makes him unique is that, at his best, he can pull off the mix.
 
That’s the thing, though. Without the folky bleakness, he’d be a guitar-playing Billy Joel singing the Bon Jovi songbook. And without the glitz and party rock and nostalgia, he’d be just another talented hard-working singer-songwriter, but no Dylan or Waits.

What makes him unique is that, at his best, he can pull off the mix.

Agreed. That’s why the “Oh, but Nebraska is good” crowd sorta misses what makes him special.
 
Great, wound up the Springsteen fanboys.

Now let's talk about the deep insights in Use Your Illusion I & II. Go!


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GnR was insufferable at their very best; I mean, having ‘Paradise City’ on an endless loop is a fantastic way to describe hell.

So GnR at its most mediocre attempting to capture the sprawling ambition of The White Album or Sandanista!? Fuck that shit. Leave it for the worms. And then burn those motherfucking worms, just to be sure.

Next!
 
GnR was insufferable at their very best; I mean, having ‘Paradise City’ on an endless loop is a fantastic way to describe hell.

So GnR at its most mediocre attempting to capture the sprawling ambition of The White Album or Sandanista!? Fuck that shit. Leave it for the worms. And then burn those motherfucking worms, just to be sure.

Next!

Yeah I was a little surprised that Robert Hilburn praised it when it came out.


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I never got the appeal of Springsteen. Just seemed like a wannabe troubadour, a second rate Dylan, a Seegar and Guthrie fanboi. bersides that he was the gruffy voiced Born In the 'mericuh guy :shrug:
 
I wasn't a real big fan until I read his book.
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The Netflix show is great.
 
We’ve been watching a bunch of documentaries (20 feet from stardom, hired gun, etc.) and we saw this the other night. I saw him live in Madison back in 1976 or 77, and was impressed with the energy he put out onstage, but was never a huge fan. However, seeing him in this light (relaxed, reflective, and well-aged) was pretty enlightening. Particularly interesting was his honesty regarding the fact that he spent his career writing and singing about things he’s never experienced (e.g. a blue-collar lifestyle). I don’t believe that Dylan has ever been that honest with his audience. I think this is worth watching whether or not you are a fan, because it puts his music into perspective with his background, and is a good illustration of how an artist grows and matures.
 
I never got the appeal of Springsteen. Just seemed like a wannabe troubadour, a second rate Dylan, a Seegar and Guthrie fanboi. bersides that he was the gruffy voiced Born In the 'mericuh guy :shrug:
Well, I never understood the appeal of Dylan. Give me Neil and Bruce.
 
As a songwriter, I love Dylan. As a performer, he is mediocre at best.

This is a cliché statement and it’s not that black and white. He isn’t really a ‘performer’ — he has zero interest in theatrics, he has zero interest in stage banter, he has zero interest in connecting with the audience in the way that an actor or frontman is, and he’s got zero interest in pleasing casual fans with a greatest hits setlist. So if that’s what you’re into or looking for, then stay far far away.

But musically, he’s fucking awesome. And if you know the catalogue, he’s one of the few who’s really worth seeing over and over again. His band is amazingly tight. The songs evolve on a night-to-night basis in the kind of way that bands like the ‘great’ (or Grateful) jam bands never could. Structural improv vs wankery.
 
Huge Bruce fan. I'll be cartelling the sofa tomorrow and watching this whilst the wife works from home.
 
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Listening to the Broadway record, I mostly thought about how I was glad that Dylan hasn’t (and likely won’t) diminished his magic by explaining it away. I thought a lot of Bruce’s spiel was corny and rote and unfortunately what I hate knowing about rock and roll though I occasionally like feeling it. Small stakes baloney about getting out from under your immediate adolescent circumstances. Yawn.

I feel Bruce is best understood as a kind of American Morrissey. An interpreter of mid-century glamor and outre masculinity. A romantic with a social realist’s obsessions. A distant, sensitive person’s mask fashioned into what he thinks an outgoing, big-hearted rough-and-tumble person should be.

Also, “The Rising” is a garbage song and Bruce is a lousy consoler. His best work features a lot of pointing out how shitty and doomed things are so we better suck it up or run away or explode in a paroxysm of pointless violence. Don’t give me fake Catholic bullshit and trout twitching on the end of the line, Boss. RAISE THE BLACK FLAG AND START DRAWING BLOOD. Otherwise you just sound like my dad.

It was corny in the way that all self realized rock and roll is.

I think he is a great songwriter because he's really good with words. I enjoyed the talking in the special more than the singing because I get bored with the one thing he does with his voice, but I am with you. I'd also rather have the songs stand on their own.

I enjoyed the special though. Even though I'd rather just hear other people sing his songs, if he had to explain them away, this was a well done way to do it.
 
Well, I never understood the appeal of Dylan. Give me Neil and Bruce.
No Dylan = No Bruce...heck Bruce is even trying to cop Dylans old man scruffy voice now....at least Bob has an excuse (smoking 10o,000,000 cigerretes but bruce.....kinda sad to see an old man still idolizeing his hero. At some point ya gotta shit ort get of the pot as they say :wink:

anyway, hope this helps !
 
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