OMG Politics, I'm over it already.

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This is what we get when we allow politics and important issues to be treated like sportsball.

Rah Rah!
 
I'm amused by thin-skinned cry babies who've spent months using the ignore function and who are now acting with impunity like iconic 60s/70s Clint Eastwood characters.
 
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smurfco said:
I get where you're coming from and I don't begrudge you that one bit, but having grown up in Georgia I know / am related to many Trump supporters and most of them are decent people and not monsters. Or at least I have to believe they aren't monsters. I'm not excusing their vote or their behavior but I can't write off half the population like that, including family members I love. I just can't...

It is depressing as fuck though.
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I hear you. I was raised in VA and at one point had family members that would have voted for him. Most of those are distant though but I still have some big republicans in my family. Even they didn't support him.

I actually just ended up deleting my facebook account all together. In the years I have had it, I may have posted a handful of things and really it is a total waste of time, so buh bye.

So for those of you here I was friends with, I didn't unfriend you, just nixed the account.
 
Chad said:
I hear you. I was raised in VA and at one point had family members that would have voted for him. Most of those are distant though but I still have some big republicans in my family. Even they didn't support him.

I actually just ended up deleting my facebook account all together. In the years I have had it, I may have posted a handful of things and really it is a total waste of time, so buh bye.

So for those of you here I was friends with, I didn't unfriend you, just nixed the account.
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Deleting my main Facebook account was the best thing I've done for my sanity in the last five years.

(I still have a fake name account with a handful of close friends/family and The Bird Index page on it, but I have unfollowed every one of the people I've friended and I use it just for messenger/chat.)
 
saw this on my facebook:

"This will be my one and only "political" post of this entire election season and my $0.02 on the subject.

What we have just witnessed is not an isolated event or anomaly, but a part of a much wider pattern that is largely driven by the rise of information technology.

One the one hand:

Technological advances over the last several decades (and this is only the very beginning) have fundamentally and irrevocably changed and continue to change labor demand, thereby leaving more and more people not just unemployed, but unemployable. Labor - the great engine of the Industrial Revolution and one of the bases for both Marxian and Austrian socioeconomic theories that have dominated the 20th Century - is on its way to extinction as a social class. Those "manufacturing jobs" that BOTH candidates so cavalierly promised to revive are NEVER coming back. The "middle class prosperity" that was built on industrial labor demand is a thing of history. The results of last night are a direct consequence and reaction to the loss of not just jobs, but a whole way of life for what was formerly known as the "American Middle Class". Yesterday's election results are a clear reaction to that loss, which is indeed bitterly felt by many, and will no doubt be felt more and more in the future to come, despite any promises to the contrary by any political candidate.

On the other hand:

The rise of the Internet and the "freeing" of information has put what was once known as "expertise" at the fingertips of virtually everyone. While there are many obvious benefits to this, one unintended consequence is the "death of the Expert". The layperson, having all this information at their whim, has deemed the expert superfluous. This can be seen literally in every area of life - from contempt for the work and findings of scientists to the medical field, to finance, law, real estate, even my own field of music production, etc, etc... and now politics/policymaking. The experts are no longer needed, valued or listened to. There is a growing culture of contempt for expertise, and it knows no political allegiance - its simply "laymen know better than the experts". And the election results are the latest and loudest endorsement of said culture.

Welcome to the first - but certainly not the last - "Internet Presidency".

And on the Gripping Hand (thank you Larry Niven/Jerry Pournelle):

This is also what happens when you give a frustrated/bewildered/terrified electorate a set of targets to resent.

Strap in folks. The next couple of decades are going to be a wild ride."
 
smurfco said:
Deleting my main Facebook account was the best thing I've done for my sanity in the last five years.

(I still have a fake name account with a handful of close friends/family and The Bird Index page on it, but I have unfollowed every one of the people I've friended and I use it just for messenger/chat.)
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I may do that at some point to keep in touch with some family members, my brother did that a while ago. I am a bit older than you, and I get friend requests from people I haven't said a word to since high school and I honestly don't remember if I even said a word to them then.
 
To me the most stunning part of this is the terrible voter turnout overall. There four candidates on the ballot in every state representing four extremes. And less than half of eligible voters bothered to vote. Clearly our primary process is broken, because we just keep getting candidates who don’t drive people to the polls.
 
tompetty said:
He's another non talent no better than Oprah Winfrey, Ellen Degenerate, Rosie Mc'Donald and the likes...

Lucky to be where they are...Somebody liked them at one point in time...
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Last post in here for foreseeable future...

Fuck any and every registered voter that couldn't be bothered...and any one eligible to vote that didn't bother to register. And fuck Florida for voting for Gary and Jill in significant numbers.
 
I wanted to stop in and say thank you to all who participated in this thread, and Mark for bending the rules to allow it to happen. I really did not intend to start a political discussion thread. In fact, I was just venting about too much politics on FB. But it happened anyway, and I feel like I learned more than a few things from members here, and gained some understanding of points of view I might not completely agree with. EDIT: I was also able to commiserate, and to connect at least through words regarding things that are very concerning to me, and seemingly to many others, even if we don't all agree. I may fail at this, but for a little bit, I am going to try to take a break from this thread, and focus more on more concrete matters before me. Don't get me wrong. I will probably at least lurk now and then. But for a while I am going to try to avoid politics, at least as daily consumption on the internet.

Oh, on a positive note, 2 out of 3 of the local qualified women who ran as Dems for the Idaho State Senate won their races. This will be important in local issues such as education (Idaho needs some help), land use, and figuring out the medicare gap, or whatever comes next with whatever happens with the ACA. So there is that bright spot.

Thanks again all for all of your input and relatively civil participation in discussion.
 
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Chad said:
Sorry, I have 2 daughters. Its hard to be thankful knowing that a guy who brags about sexually assaulting women is their president. I can't think of anything worse for them when they go through high school and college than knowing if a guy sexually assaults them, he could be our next president.
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I hear ya. I remember having to explain to my then fourth grader why the sitting president was in trouble back in the late 90s. You know, for abusing his power and being sexually involved with a subordinate. But hey, it's cool, 'cause his wife, who condones his behavior can be president someday too.

I'm sorry to say this, but I don't feel sorry for you folks who feel let down. You drank the Hillary cool-aid for months, and were spoon fed misinformation and BS, lapping it up like warm milk: Trump is a racist; a rapist; a mysogynist (let ye who never posted a NGD pic cast the first stone 'eh); there's no way he could win; his supporters are stupid, on and on it went. The media had y'all convinced the election was just a formality (how are those project fivethirtyeight predictions looking now?), Clinton was a shoe-in...

Now the republicans control the house, the senate and the presidency.

Oops.
 
wagdog said:
I hear ya. I remember having to explain to my then fourth grader why the sitting president was in trouble back in the late 90s. You know, for abusing his power and being sexually involved with a subordinate. But hey, it's cool, 'cause his wife, who condones his behavior can be president someday too.

I'm sorry to say this, but I don't feel sorry for you folks who feel let down. You drank the Hillary cool-aid for months, and were spoon fed misinformation and BS, lapping it up like warm milk: Trump is a racist; a rapist; a mysogynist (let ye who never posted a NGD pic cast the first stone 'eh); there's no way he could win; his supporters are stupid, on and on it went. The media had y'all convinced the election was just a formality (how are those project fivethirtyeight predictions looking now?), Clinton was a shoe-in...

Now the republicans control the house, the senate and the presidency.

Oops.
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consensual sexual activity and sexual assault are not even in the same ballpark. It wasn't misinformation actual audio from Trump's mouth, I grab them by the pussy and kiss them without asking. That sexual assault plain and simple.

Hilary was not my candidate and no cool-aid was involved. When the choice is a serial sexual assaulter and anyone else, I'm picking the anyone else.
 
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