Triumph Over Home Theater

jrockbridge

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A while back, I started a thread about a home theater, surround receiver failure. Decades ago, I used to sell home theater systems, so I own multiple systems from prizes won and deep discounted purchases. Each are various degrees of outdated.

I replaced the broken theater receiver with an older one, and something in the speaker system tried to bring that receiver to its knees. Luckily, the protection circuit saved it. I did a few simple checks with a multimeter, but could find nothing wrong. I had a hunch that the problem was within my wireless transmitter for the rear, surround speakers. But, the issue was, somewhat, intermittent. Yet, the problem did seem to go away with the wireless transmitter unhooked. Just to make sure, I did a long term process of elimination, to verify my hunch.

I hooked up just the left and right speakers for a few weeks. Then, I added the center speaker for a few weeks. Next, I added the subwoofer. The system worked fine at each stage, until the wireless transmitter was reintroduced, so I replaced it with a new transmitter (wireless rear channel amp kit).

I was determined not to buy a new surround receiver because the old one, while decades outdated, was built like a tank. It's 5.1 Dolby Digital, DTS & Pro Logic. It even has L+R Front Effects, speaker outputs, a precursor to discrete 7.1. But, it's not able to decode the Dolby Atmos from modern streaming devices. It does not even have an early version of HDMI video inputs/outputs. It has optical and coaxial 5.1 digital inputs.

Fortunately, my Sony 4K TV is relatively modern, has a bunch of HDMI inputs and a 5.1 optical digital-output. So, I routed the HDMI's from the Blu-Ray, Roku and M1 Mac Mini through the Sony, and the optical output from the TV to the old Yamaha receiver.

I figured out how to set the Sony TV optical output to standard Dolby Digital and DTS. I even got an Amazon smart speaker setup to turn the TV + Receiver on/off, turn volume up or down on the Yamaha receiver, and change inputs on the TV, all by voice commands. The setup process for the smart speaker to do that was tedious.

It sounded pretty good. However, the only thing that came through as 5.1 Dolby Digital or DTS was antenna TV and Blu-Ray. Everything else came out as Pro Logic.

I scoured the internet for solutions but was unable to solve 5.1 discrete for my 4K Roku stick. Luckily, some of the TV Apps within the Sony TV output 5.1 discrete. Apparently, the Sling App does not do 5.1.

I found out that Apple finally updated the Mac Mini OS to output 5.1 discrete with Sonoma, which was a while back. All I had to do was change the setting on VLC media player on the Mac to "Sony TV Encoded Output."

I'm still way behind Dolby Atmos, DTS:X, DTSX Virtual, Auro 3D, Audyssey DSX, DSX 2, MPEGH, 6.1, 7.1, 7.2, 9.2, 11.2, etc, etc, and whatever else these folking engineers are cooking up. But, I'm happy as a pig in shite!
 
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I’m low tech and just hooked up to my stereo.

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Since moving in to this house, I’ve added a receiver to the TV room setup.
First was a JVC with 4 bazillion inputs and outputs on the back. I still have it as an amp for the rec room just to play music.

When HDMI came about and we had things in the TV rig that did that, I changed to an Onkyo networked (wired) receiver.
I’m still running that today.

However, I am close to the point where I’m just going to get a TV that promises all kinds of fancy speaker stuff, and toss everything else that has a cable. I’m even thinking of going full-on Fire stick that plugs in the back of the TV.

Also, I don’t really watch much TV anymore.
 
I’m low tech and just hooked up to my stereo.

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I did have just stereo for a couple of weeks during my trouble shooting of my gear. Stereo sounds good with decent speakers.

Since moving in to this house, I’ve added a receiver to the TV room setup.
First was a JVC with 4 bazillion inputs and outputs on the back. I still have it as an amp for the rec room just to play music.

When HDMI came about and we had things in the TV rig that did that, I changed to an Onkyo networked (wired) receiver.
I’m still running that today.

However, I am close to the point where I’m just going to get a TV that promises all kinds of fancy speaker stuff, and toss everything else that has a cable. I’m even thinking of going full-on Fire stick that plugs in the back of the TV.

Also, I don’t really watch much TV anymore.

My wife watches a ton of TV and Movies. I watch a fair amount, but I’m a bit more discerning than she. If it doesn’t have a good rating of, at least, 70% audience liked, I don’t bother.

yea...me too.
cable out of tv > into amp > to speakers
amp is set at 75-80% volume and control the overall output volume with the tv remote
eazy peazy....done!!!!

If I had not sold home theater for a time, decades ago, I probably would not have surround sound. Anyway, it’s not like my setup is state of the art. My receiver and speakers are nearly 30 years old,
 
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I have a DVD PLAYER combo 5.1 surround for the bedroom. Probably crap, but sounds good in the room. We haven't used it in forever though. I do want a good one for the living room. My dad's has 4 full size stereo speakers. It sounds incredible. The back two are halfway to the 2nd floor.

I haven't triumphed over home theatre.
 
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I have a DVD PLAYER combo 5.1 surround for the bedroom. Probably crap, but sounds good in the room. We haven't used it in forever though. I do want a good one for the living room. My dad's has 4 full size stereo speakers. It sounds incredible. The back two are halfway to the 2nd floor.

I haven't triumphed over home theatre.

My wife goes to bed early. I stay up late and watch TV on the big screen in the living room.

I don’t want the sound of the theater surround to keep my wife awake, so I turn my receiver off. Then, I use the official Roku App on my phone to listen through my earbuds.

Bluetooth technology takes time to process which causes the sound to be delayed. The Roku App syncs the video between their streaming stick with the Bluetooth audio of my phone so that they match.

I’m happy that I got my nearly 30 year receiver and speakers working their best. But, I’m also very happy that Roku figured out how to make their streaming stick work so well with phone Bluetooth earbuds. The earbud home theater sound experience is very immersive. :thu:
 
My wife goes to bed early. I stay up late and watch TV on the big screen in the living room.

I don’t want the sound of the theater surround to keep my wife awake, so I turn my receiver off. Then, I use the official Roku App on my phone to listen through my earbuds.

Bluetooth technology takes time to process which causes the sound to be delayed. The Roku App syncs the video between their streaming stick with the Bluetooth audio of my phone so that they match.

I’m happy that I got my nearly 30 year receiver and speakers working their best. But, I’m also very happy that Roku figured out how to make their streaming stick work so well with phone Bluetooth earbuds. The earbud home theater sound experience is very immersive. :thu:
It's been at least 30 years since I've used headphones. I've only used earbuds for this and last summers Maui trips. If I stay up later than my wife, I just turn the volume down on the living room tv. I've been keeping the subtitles on lately too.
The only fine listening experiences I've been getting have been at the movie theatre.
 
It's been at least 30 years since I've used headphones. I've only used earbuds for this and last summers Maui trips. If I stay up later than my wife, I just turn the volume down on the living room tv. I've been keeping the subtitles on lately too.
The only fine listening experiences I've been getting have been at the movie theatre.
My 4K Sony 75” has Bluetooth, but the video and audio is not in sync. Even after multiple updates to the Android OS on that $3000 TV, they never fixed Bluetooth audio and video sync. Yet, Roku figured it out on a product that sells for less than $100. Go figure.
 
My 4K Sony 75” has Bluetooth, but the video and audio is not in sync. Even after multiple updates to the Android OS on that $3000 TV, they never fixed Bluetooth audio and video sync. Yet, Roku figured it out on a product that sells for less than $100. Go figure.
That's my general impression of Sony: fantastic specs and features but so many niggling problems that it just destroys the total experience.
 
This thread motivated me to build a new Kodi system to replace my aging system that is having problems forgetting about movies. I decided to use an Lenovo T430 laptop since it is unobtrusive in the entertainment center, low power consumption, still plenty of horsepower for Kodi, and is in my junk box, so free.

It was far more frustrating than it needed to be, but I finally prevailed. Linux kept insisting on using the laptop display, even though I disabled it in the BIOS and had the lid closed. Next issue was Kodi kept insisting on using the laptop audio out instead of HDMI to the TV. This was a bit harder to solve because googling showed the general fix, but the details all conflicted and it took lots of experimentation to get the correct fix.
 
This thread motivated me to build a new Kodi system to replace my aging system that is having problems forgetting about movies. I decided to use an Lenovo T430 laptop since it is unobtrusive in the entertainment center, low power consumption, still plenty of horsepower for Kodi, and is in my junk box, so free.

It was far more frustrating than it needed to be, but I finally prevailed. Linux kept insisting on using the laptop display, even though I disabled it in the BIOS and had the lid closed. Next issue was Kodi kept insisting on using the laptop audio out instead of HDMI to the TV. This was a bit harder to solve because googling showed the general fix, but the details all conflicted and it took lots of experimentation to get the correct fix.
Fight the good fight.
 
That's my general impression of Sony: fantastic specs and features but so many niggling problems that it just destroys the total experience.
It’s not just Sony. My Samsung TV’s do not sync Bluetooth audio with video. And, the smart app systems on the Samsungs that I have suck as well. Yet, I have generally liked Samsung monitors and TV’s, overall, for the picture quality.

When, I went to buy my 75” TV, I had walked into the store expecting to purchase a Samsung and was prepared to spend about $2500 at the time. The 4K 75” Sony for $3000 that was next to it was brighter and had higher contrast. It uses some kind of hybrid LED pixel technology. OLED was very expensive at the time. I tried adjusting that Samsung to look as good as the Sony but the Sam would wash out. So, I bought the Sony. And, years later, I bought a 4K 65” OLED Sony for the bedroom.
This thread motivated me to build a new Kodi system to replace my aging system that is having problems forgetting about movies. I decided to use an Lenovo T430 laptop since it is unobtrusive in the entertainment center, low power consumption, still plenty of horsepower for Kodi, and is in my junk box, so free.

It was far more frustrating than it needed to be, but I finally prevailed. Linux kept insisting on using the laptop display, even though I disabled it in the BIOS and had the lid closed. Next issue was Kodi kept insisting on using the laptop audio out instead of HDMI to the TV. This was a bit harder to solve because googling showed the general fix, but the details all conflicted and it took lots of experimentation to get the correct fix.
I’ll have to learn about KODI. It’s probably worth the time to get that going.

I have two older computers with HDMI outputs. One is a Dell mini tower that outputs 1080i. The other is an ASUS laptop that outputs 720p. I’m using both as video file players in separate rooms.

The Dell was running Windows 10 like a slow slug. The ASUS was running an old version of Linux Ubuntu.

I decided to try to update the ASUS laptop to the latest version of Ubuntu. I tried multiple strategies. Each time, I ran into a problem. So, I tried the latest version of Debian 12 and that did not work either. I may try Mint later. I’m sure I’ll eventually find an up to date version of Linux that will work out the way I want on that machine.

Meanwhile, I took one of the Ubuntu ISO’s that had not worked out on the ASUS and loaded it onto the old Dell. That worked like a charm. Noble Numbat hums along on that machine much better than Windows 10. VLC Media Player looks and sounds great.

I’m prepared for getting into the weeds with Linux. But, it’s always nice when it comes together and works out.
 
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I’ll have to learn about KODI. It’s probably worth the time to get that going.

I have two older computers with HDMI outputs. One is a Dell mini tower that outputs 1080i. The other is an ASUS laptop that outputs 720p. I’m using both as video file players in separate rooms.

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Have a look at LibreElec. It's a linux system that is designed to be just enough linux to run Kodi.
 
I found this information about the old Yamaha surround receiver that I’m now using upstairs with my 75” TV. The dimensions and weight are amusing. It’s definitely a big, heavy beast.

There is no way I paid anywhere close to $1695 for it. I’m guessing I probably paid about $400 as a discontinued floor model.

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For better or worse this is a Sonos house. Works and sounds great. Well worked great until they fucked up the app catastrophicly last year but it's mostly fixed now.

And for Kodi or Plex, a Firecube is about a hundred bucks and will decode everything.
 
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