OMG Politics, I'm over it already.

[sunvalleylaw]

This kind of conflict is bound to happen when the campaign begins 2+ years before the election. After a while things just get salty.

Yeah, well, the whole campaign process as currently executed seems a huge waste. Very rarely do real issues get discussed in a meaningful way. It seems to always degenerate into finger pointing and flag waving.

For one thing, Bernie isn't a Democrat. A lot of Bernie voters would never vote for Hillary any more than they would for Trump. We're not withholding our votes from Hillary because spite.

Well, he has been running for nomination as the Democratic party candidate. and so therefore declared himself as a democrat for that purpose.

Unfortunately Trump set the low bar. I agree with your disappointment on how it is playing out, but had Trump not started with his "I'd like to punch that protestor in the face" bullshit it might not be so bad now. You can't call for a class/race war then be shocked when the other side takes up your tactics.

As for the Dem infighting, I blame their handlers. They could still pull it out if they make the effort, but I think Hil is counting on support from Bernies supporters that she hasn't earned. This is her election to lose, and she has a decent chance to do just that.

though I take your first point, I cannot condone or agree with others "taking up" lowlife tactics because someone else did.

Regarding the second point, I have been waiting and waiting for some sort of leadership from the Clinton campaign that might include discussing the Bernie supporters' concerns and an invitation to work together to get to some of them, or something like that to help unify things a bit (not all will join of course). Not seeing it yet. An extended olive branch, with a corresponding branch extended by Bernie would really be nice in the next week or so. Only thing I have seen like that has come from George Takei.



To me, the Supreme Court nomination issue alone is reason enough. And further regarding Bernie not being a democrat, whether he truly feels like one or not, he put his hat in the ring to be nominated as the Democratic candidate. So, to that extent, he and his supporters (including me) have to accept the rules of that party. For now. I still think this whole primary process with superdelegates and caucuses that many cannot attend is messed up. Needs to be changed. But meanwhile, I hope we elect someone not from the clown car on the other side.

 

[Mark Wein]

Well, this is all about current issues that affect American citizens. Pure class.

Plus, he forgot to mention that Ted Cruz is actually an alien: http://www.tedcruzforhumanpresident.com/

 

[jp_nyc]

In other news, the National Enquirer and Donald Trump have determined that Ted Cruz’s father was with Lee Harvey Oswald the day before Oswald shot JFK. Which I’m pretty sure is Trump’s way of reminding the GOP leadership that he can say just about anything the day of a critical primary and still stomp them. And if the delegates dare to conspire against Trump at the convention he’ll start his own party and cost the party both houses of Congress.

 

[mongooz]

. And if the delegates dare to conspire against Trump at the convention he’ll start his own party and cost the party both houses of Congress.

we can only hope.

 

[jp_nyc]

we can only hope.

Don’t. If Hillary and the GOP both fuck this up we could very well end up with a unified Trump party calling all the shots in Washington.

 

[mongooz]

Don’t. If Hillary and the GOP both fuck this up we could very well end up with a unified Trump party calling all the shots in Washington.

i meant that if trump goes on his own, it will split up the repub vote and hillary will be in like slim and will pick up seats in both houses of congress, hence ushering the christo-fascits out of office.

and if trump got in and started calling all the shots the way he has been talking about.....he'll be the one getting.......well......you know.

 

[Bob411]

Regarding the second point, I have been waiting and waiting for some sort of leadership from the Clinton campaign that might include discussing the Bernie supporters' concerns and an invitation to work together to get to some of them, or something like that to help unify things a bit (not all will join of course). Not seeing it yet. An extended olive branch, with a corresponding branch extended by Bernie would really be nice in the next week or so. Only thing I have seen like that has come from George Takei.


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Why stop there? I'm in no way a Trump supporter but, I do like his idea to end the free trade insanity. You've got to think, there are many that vote for him and, hold their nose for everything else he stands for. Maybe we could have a Democratic candidate that does Democratic things. Just a thought.

 

[Tig]

I, for one, look forward to serving our empowered Trump overlords.

 

[mongooz]

I, for one, look forward to serving our empowered Trump overlords.

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[335clone]

though I take your first point, I cannot condone or agree with others "taking up" lowlife tactics because someone else did.

Let me be clear(er). I do not in any way support or condone any violent actions toward anyone, including Trump and his supporters. Trump, however, shouldn't be surprised to be reaping what he has sown.

As for the violent protests at his rallies, I think that is mostly from the children of illegal immigrants & occupy/anonymous. I am against illegal immigration despite being pretty darn liberal on most things (except guns) as I see the impact daily. Legal immigration is a separate matter entirely. So while I can understand why illegals and their kids would feel targeted and want to act out on that fear, I do not condone it in any way.

It's not like Bernie is calling for that kind of action in any way, even if some of his supporters may. That is a lot different from Trump 'warning' of riots if he doesn't get nominated/elected/anointed emperor.

 

[Theodore]

@sunvalleylaw Yes, but a lot of those that are pissed at "bernie or bust" people act like they (the latter) would have enthusiastically voted for HRC in the general election if it weren't for Bernie.

It was enough of a stretch for me to vote for him. If I voted for Hillary I might as well just not have any firm opinions about anything. I'm not going to browbeat anybody who does, though. I'm in Illinois so it doesn't really matter anyway.

 

[Steverino]

You know, for all of the finger pointing and name calling that happened when the Trump rallies got ugly the protesters here in California have been just as bad or even worse:

Agreed, it's bad on both sides.

Unfortunately Trump set the low bar. I agree with your disappointment on how it is playing out, but had Trump not started with his "I'd like to punch that protestor in the face" bullshit it might not be so bad now. You can't call for a class/race war then be shocked when the other side takes up your tactics.

But wait.. No, it's Trump's fault. He started it. These folks were saints before Trump awakened them like zombies from the grave. Had he just kept quiet...

and if trump got in and started calling all the shots the way he has been talking about.....he'll be the one getting.......well......you know.

I just don't know what to think about this place sometimes.

Violence against Trump supporters isn't only ignored, but when it is brought up here, it's quickly stomped out and Trump is even blamed for it, then right behind that, it's suggested that he could be/should be shot. Right here on this forum, in this thread, where everyone has been clapping each other on the back for taking the high road?

Sorry guys, I like and respect you all. Forgive me in advance, you guys continue.

I see hypocrisy, and it goes unchecked. I couldn't ignore it. Feel free to assail me place me in front of the MWGF firing squad. I know I have it coming now.

 

[mongooz]

, then right behind that, it's suggested that he could be shot.

all i'm saying is that if trump becomes president and does the things he's claimed (special partrols for muslim neighborhoods, walls across the country, deporting anyone that remotely looks like they're from mexico, etc....etc.) he's not going to last. most of the shit he's said was also said by hitler in 1936.

 

[sunvalleylaw]

I want to go on record as not condoning violence toward any candidate, nor the supporters of any candidate. @Steverino and @ anyone else.

 

[sunvalleylaw]

@sunvalleylaw Yes, but a lot of those that are pissed at "bernie or bust" people act like they (the latter) would have enthusiastically voted for HRC in the general election if it weren't for Bernie.

It was enough of a stretch for me to vote for him. If I voted for Hillary I might as well just not have any firm opinions about anything. I'm not going to browbeat anybody who does, though. I'm in Illinois so it doesn't really matter anyway.

You keep on voting your conscience. I am speaking more to the folks that were likely to vote Democrat, or were considering it, but preferred Bernie of the two main candidates.

 

[Tig]

all i'm saying is that if trump becomes president and does the things he's claimed (special partrols for muslim neighborhoods, walls across the country, deporting anyone that remotely looks like they're from mexico, etc....etc.) he's not going to last. most of the shit he's said was also said by hitler in 1936.

I'll also go on the record that I don't condone violence against any candidate or any of their followers, no matter how much they "ask for it". Okay, no one is directly asking for such, but their words and behavior can result in dangerous reactions. It all goes back to, "with freedom comes responsibility", and freedom of speech certainly comes with a huge responsibility when you are listened to by millions, especially when promoting a culture of violence.

^Everything above can be applied equally to both sides of the aisle, of course.

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One interesting point/question: If, say, Trump were to be assassinated (again, I do not condone such), can you imagine the extreme violent reaction his following would have? There is already enough anger, hate, and lack of respect toward anyone not like themselves to provoke violence. Imagine these goons going human hunting?

What do we think some of these people would be like if they felt empowered by an unlikely Trump presidency? One of the easiest things humans do is to justify their beliefs and actions. Add the pack mentality and they will do things they never imagined that they were capable of.

If you think this is hyperbole, think again. (suggested reading: Ordinary Men: Reserve Police Battalion 101 and the Final Solution in Poland)

 

[mongooz]

if trump becomes president and enacts the things HE has advocated (special security zones around muslim neighborhoods, mass deporation of families (regardless of their immigration status), bring back waterboarding and many other far more severe torture, beating up protesters, etc.) can you imagine the rioting that will occur across the nation? everything he has advocated has been anti-democracy.
i'm saying if he does these things, do not be surprised if the people being oppressed by him react violently.

 

[Help!I'maRock!]

if trump becomes president and enacts the things HE has advocated (special security zones around muslim neighborhoods, mass deporation of families (regardless of their immigration status), bring back waterboarding and many other far more severe torture, beating up protesters, etc.) can you imagine the rioting that will occur across the nation? everything he has advocated has been anti-democracy.
i'm saying if he does these things, do not be surprised if the people being oppressed by him react violently.

witness the violence inherent in the system

 

[micwalt]

 

[Tig]

Bloody peasant!